Joey Barton

[Cleve van Leef]

In trouble again!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-57960977

Why does he get jobs?

[Tuerto]

Re: Joey Barton

Because he's white. If anyone can say, truthfully that if he was black, with his charge sheet (Google it) that he would be considered for managerial roles, then they must be sniffing glue. Nobody knows whether he's guilty of this latest crime, but trouble seems to follow him around.

[Moodybluebird]

Re: Joey Barton

Sorry Tuerto can't agree with you there mate. His colour has nothing to do with why he keeps getting jobs. He gets them mainly because he was a high profile player and his employers believe he will be able to use that experience of top level football to improve their clubs. Because of this they seem quite happy to ignore his rather dubious past.

[Tuerto]

Re: Joey Barton

Sorry Tuerto can't agree with you there mate. His colour has nothing to do with why he keeps getting jobs. He gets them mainly because he was a high profile player and his employers believe he will be able to use that experience of top level football to improve their clubs. Because of this they seem quite happy to ignore his rather dubious past.

Sol Campbell, one of the greatest central defenders to come out of England, world class at one point, ahead of the game by 15 years, got the Macclesfield gig on his 4th attempt at interview process. Macclesfield couldn't even afford a box of tea bags at the time. Could you imagine Steve Bruce, Bryan Robson, John Terry, Frank lampard, Steven Gerrard, Paul Merson, Terry butcher, Gareth Southgate, Gary Neville, Phil Neville, etc, starting at the same level? Neither can I, because they didn't. There's still a mis trust towards black people in positions of power.

[J R Hartley]

Re: Joey Barton

Not like Tuerto to completely derail and change the course of the thread screaming “racism” but first reply, wow, that’s got to be seen as some record, even for him.

Barton is a scumbag. A leopard that can’t change his spots no matter how many philosophy books he reads, or turtle necks he wears.

[xsnaggle]

Re: Joey Barton

But tuerto they didn't say, "Oh look he's white, we'll give him the job"
I understand what you say about a black would be manager with the same criminal record not getting the job, but many white would be managers without his high level experience wouldn't get the job either

[J R Hartley]

Re: Joey Barton

In trouble again!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-57960977

Why does he get jobs?

He’s had 2 managerial jobs. One at Fleetwood where he did ok, well enough to warrant Bristol Rovers taking a chance on him.

I imagine he interviews well, he’s very articulate, blows his own trumpet well and probably with his spectacles and philosophical quotes manages to convince people he’s matured and a changed man.

[J R Hartley]

Re: Joey Barton

But tuerto they didn't say, "Oh look he's white, we'll give him the job"
I understand what you say about a black would be manager with the same criminal record not getting the job, but many white would be managers without his high level experience wouldn't get the job either

Many white men with his experience and then some get overlooked too. Tony Adams and Teddy Sheringham started in the lower leagues and can’t get jobs. Harry Kewell, Paul Scholes. John Terry is having to cut his teeth as an assistant coach first. Gerrard managed Liverpool youth teams before Rangers took a punt on him. Sol Campbell being touted as some kind of football visionary who’s wonderful managerial talent is being held back because he’s black is fantasy that lives in Tuertos head.

[Tuerto]

Re: Joey Barton

Many white men with his experience and then some get overlooked too. Tony Adams and Teddy Sheringham started in the lower leagues and can’t get jobs. Harry Kewell, Paul Scholes. John Terry is having to cut his teeth as an assistant coach first. Gerrard managed Liverpool youth teams before Rangers took a punt on him. Sol Campbell being touted as some kind of football visionary who’s wonderful managerial talent is being held back because

he’s black is fantasy that lives in Tuertos head.

You pulling me, yet you're all over this thread countering me again. Why aren't black footballers getting the same opportunities that their white counterparts are getting? You never seem to answer the question, just skirt around it throwing your usual shitty insults. If you do think that I:m wrong, then articulate it.

[Tuerto]

Re: Joey Barton

But tuerto they didn't say, "Oh look he's white, we'll give him the job"
I understand what you say about a black would be manager with the same criminal record not getting the job, but many white would be managers without his high level experience wouldn't get the job either

I know that. The point Is that a black player with the Same form as Barton ain't getting a manager's job, and he wouldn't get a gig on talk radio or a column of in a newspaper, or have a bit of a cult following on twitter.

[Joe Gillis]

Re: Joey Barton

Sol Campbell, one of the greatest central defenders to come out of England, world class at one point, ahead of the game by 15 years, got the Macclesfield gig on his 4th attempt at interview process. Macclesfield couldn't even afford a box of tea bags at the time. Could you imagine Steve Bruce, Bryan Robson, John Terry, Frank lampard, Steven Gerrard, Paul Merson, Terry butcher, Gareth Southgate, Gary Neville, Phil Neville, etc, starting at the same level? Neither can I, because they didn't. There's still a mis trust towards black people in positions of power.

Sol Campbell was never world class at any point in his career

[J R Hartley]

Re: Joey Barton

You pulling me, yet you're all over this thread countering me again. Why aren't black footballers getting the same opportunities that their white counterparts are getting? You never seem to answer the question, just skirt around it throwing your usual shitty insults. If you do think that I:m wrong, then articulate it.

You trying to make out Sol Campbell to be some kind of Johan Cruyff football visionary that the game is being deprived of because of the colour of his skin is off the wall odd, even by your standards. You can’t wait to derail any managerial thread with your poor old Sol, being treated unfairly because he’s a black man sob story and it’s tedious as ****.

So a few players started at a higher level which you’ve got a bee in your bonnet about. I’ve already given you many examples of white players on his level, who had to start down on a level he thought was beneath him.

Patrick Vieira has just been given the Palace job without any lower league experience but haven’t heard a peep from you on that. Thierry Henry got given the Monaco job because of his name. Chris Powell and Chris Hughton went straight in at Championship level in fact Hughton went in at PL level as a caretaker manager for Spurs and Newcastle. Darren Moore is another who has shown he wanted to be a manager and been given opportunities.

Ledley King is assistant manager at Spurs. No different to John Terry being assistant manager at Aston Villa.

As for other opportunities there’s never been a better time for black ex footballers to get media work. Darren Bent got his own radio show, Alex Scott is presenting football focus and Jermaine Jenas is even presenting the One Show!!

[Ivortheengine]

Re: Joey Barton

Not like Tuerto to completely derail and change the course of the thread screaming “racism” but first reply, wow, that’s got to be seen as some record, even for him.

Barton is a scumbag. A leopard that can’t change his spots no matter how many philosophy books he reads, or turtle necks he wears.

You may be right, but a lot of managers are only interested in what they do between 3 o’clock and a quarter to 5 on a Saturday afternoon.Sean Dyche saw something in him, and when Burnley got promoted back to the Premier League, Barton was the main reason why it happened.

[Llandaff Blue]

Re: Joey Barton

You pulling me, yet you're all over this thread countering me again. Why aren't black footballers getting the same opportunities that their white counterparts are getting? You never seem to answer the question, just skirt around it throwing your usual shitty insults. If you do think that I:m wrong, then articulate it.

Because there's fewer black players... what sort of question is that? If you look at the previous generation the percentage of black players is much smaller than it is today, if those players decided not to go into coaching (spoiler, most players regardless of race don't bother with this) then you have a small pool of black coaches to choose from. You are also purposely ignoring Sol's attempt at politics after he retired (perhaps you knew this but seemingly forget to mention it cause it weakens your point). He only started to show an interest in coaching in 2017, 5 years after he retired, no shit he didn't walk into a job when he's so far off the pace.

David James had a great take on this which doesn't boil down to your simplistic "white people get jobs and black people don't". I suggest you read this before you try and derail more threads about this exact topic again

https://www.fourfourtwo.com/features/david-james-more-data-is-needed-to-understand-why-there-are-so-few-bame-coaches

[J R Hartley]

Re: Joey Barton

You may be right, but a lot of managers are only interested in what they do between 3 o’clock and a quarter to 5 on a Saturday afternoon.Sean Dyche saw something in him, and when Burnley got promoted back to the Premier League, Barton was the main reason why it happened.

Absolutely. I don’t think anyone is questioning his influence on the pitch, especially as a senior player in the back end of his career.

However, as a manager there comes greater responsibility and especially in this day and age of cancel culture there are certain things that can’t be overlooked just because you’re doing the business on the field. If he is found guilty of wife beating then I expect his managerial career to be over.

He’s spent the last 5 years or so reinventing himself as some kind intellect, who has matured and learned from his past indiscretions. A new improved Joey Barton.

However, if the allegations are correct then it will add weight to the argument that a leopard can’t change his spots and the only person he’s been fooling is himself.