Is it time to give OGS credit?

[life on mars]

Re: Is it time to give OGS credit?

God know , he has so much money ,support and quality at his disposal, won nothing yet ,but he has a cheeky smile.

[Rjk]

Re: Is it time to give OGS credit?

Definitely not for his time here.

IIRC he took us from 11th to bottom.
(not 100% about uus being 11th, but we def finished bottom.)

we definitely were not 11th

[WJ99mobile]

Re: Is it time to give OGS credit?

Which players have his and his coaching department improved?

Which results have been shocking in a good way?

What has he won?

Or is it all about spending £50million plus on each position? (It's not, but is that bigger factor in his recent success than should be if a really good manager?).

I’m sorry but finishing where he finished still takes talent.

[WJ99mobile]

Re: Is it time to give OGS credit?

He probably should have been given more time here but I'm not sure it would have helped. He didn't seem to know who's best team for us.

He was still cutting His teeth with us.

By far the worst manager we’ve had since I’ve supported the club even alienating pros

He bottled it.

Doesn’t mean he hasn’t improved

[Tuerto]

Re: Is it time to give OGS credit?

Not for me. Has he won anything? He's manager of arguably the biggest club side on earth. Trophies.

[Ivortheengine]

Re: Is it time to give OGS credit?

After the way they played yesterday, it has to be a big YES.

[Citizen's Nephew]

Re: Is it time to give OGS credit?

He was like a rabbit caught in the headlights down here, nobody to guide him, nobody to stop him spending money on panic buys encouraged by dubious agents no doubt. Basically useless. Up there he’s got the luxury of a huge infrastructure, he can be more or less the figurehead or the face of well oiled machine, a machine that’s making the important decisions. Doubt that he’s got the final ‘chequebook’ say whereas Dalman was, being a Man U fan, in awe of him and gave him so much rope he eventually hung himself.

This :thumbup:

[NYCBlue]

Re: Is it time to give OGS credit?

Not for me. Has he won anything? He's manager of arguably the biggest club side on earth. Trophies.

Easier said than done when being the biggest no longer means being the richest. I'm no Man U fan, but having clubs like Man City and Chelsea to compete with in addition to all the traditional big clubs does complicate matters. Imagine if they'd had been bankrolled since the early 90s. History could be very different. Sir Alex could just be that Scottish bloke that managed Man U for a few years. What was his name again? Managed Aberdeen. I think he ended up at Rangers.

[Tuerto]

Re: Is it time to give OGS credit?

Easier said than done when being the biggest no longer means being the richest. I'm no Man U fan, but having clubs like Man City and Chelsea to compete with in addition to all the traditional big clubs does complicate matters. Imagine if they'd had been bankrolled since the early 90s. History could be very different. Sir Alex could just be that Scottish bloke that managed Man U for a few years. What was his name again? Managed Aberdeen. I think he ended up at Rangers.

I'm prepared to be shot down by you with this, but aren't United the richest club in the UK, and maybe the world?

[NYCBlue]

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I'm prepared to be shot down by you with this, but aren't United the richest club in the UK, and maybe the world?

They probably have the biggest operational turnover. But they're not owned by a Russian oligarch or an Emirati prince who somehow the rues of FFP do not apply to.

[Tuerto]

Re: Is it time to give OGS credit?

They probably have the biggest operational turnover. But they're not owned by a Russian oligarch or an Emirati prince who somehow the rues of FFP do not apply to.

Very true :thumbup:

[splott parker]

Re: Is it time to give OGS credit?

I'm prepared to be shot down by you with this, but aren't United the richest club in the UK, and maybe the world?

Haven’t the Americans cleverly shifted their debt onto the club?

[Citizen's Nephew]

Re: Is it time to give OGS credit?

Haven’t the Americans cleverly shifted their debt onto the club?

In June MUFC debt increased to £443.5million.

This is worth a read https://www.football365.com/news/mai...re-david-moyes

[dembethewarrior]

Re: Is it time to give OGS credit?

Yes

People are allowed to make mistakes and learn from them. Is he a tactical genius though or just have very good players at his disposal

Personally I think he deserves credit if he also deserves the criticism when things go wrong

He’d still struggle here though. What he tried to do would have never worked with less talented players.

Why would it never have worked? Smaller clubs like us can pass a bleeding ball around mate.

[Wolfmother]

Re: Is it time to give OGS credit?

You guy’s didn’t understand what he was trying to do then. But not to understand it now? Wow.

It’s the exact same thing he did at Molde, as he needed time to do at Cardiff, and is now doing at Man Utd.

Best manager ever at the club going by ability, but is still misunderstood by the lack of leadership at the top of the club. I’m so sad he won’t speak out about it. But some players have.

This thread I do symptomatic why Cardiff is”only” Cardiff..