Is it time to give OGS credit?

[cityhammer]

Re: Is it time to give OGS credit?

Maybe there should be a rule that managers have to start at a certain level and work their way up to Prem league.

[City123]

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Dont blame Ole of your own shortcomings. Position is a relative term. Le Fondre was a striker, few of you understood he was playing inside forward, much like Rashford is now. But sure, keep on banging about Berget, who cost 100k and never played 😅 Eikrem was a huge talent, and has done incredible well in the europa league since. His stats are well beyond anything Cardiff have played since. But keep digging, and Im sure you are happy being where we are. You where wrong. Horribly wrong.

I'm not really sure how using a player horribly unsuited to playing as an inside forward proves Ole's tactical genius. Though how can us mere mortals even begin to understand the tactical genius of a man who saw us lose 4-0 to Hull & Sunderland, 3-0 to Palace, Newcastle & Swansea, left us 17th in the Championship having signed crap we had to pay off at great expense and a ludicrously unbalanced squad

Huge talent is quite the stretch for a player who has gone on to play for Malmo, Seattle & Molde. Ole made some good signings, but the trio of Norwegians certainly weren't among them.

I think its clear Ole has improved since leaving Cardiff, but is he a top class manager? No. He's doing well at United, though its a lot easier when you get to spend over £250m on signings to add to a squad that already included the likes of De Gea, Pogba & Rashford.

I'm intrigued though exactly what you think would have happened had we kept Ole as manager?

[Freitag 4.17]

Re: Is it time to give OGS credit?

I think he should have had longer.. Was sacked after heavy defeat to Bournemouth if I remember right.. maybe knee jerk or just last straw but Bournemouth went on to heavily defeat lots of teams that season.

[City123]

Re: Is it time to give OGS credit?

I think he should have had longer.. Was sacked after heavy defeat to Bournemouth if I remember right.. maybe knee jerk or just last straw but Bournemouth went on to heavily defeat lots of teams that season.

Was after the defeat to Middlesbrough, the Bournemouth defeat was under Gabbidon & Young

[Freitag 4.17]

Re: Is it time to give OGS credit?

Was after the defeat to Middlesbrough, the Bournemouth defeat was under Gabbidon & Young

I take it all back then.. maybe Gabbs & Young didn't get long enough :hehe:

[dembethewarrior]

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I agree with you, but I also think I’m giving myself the benefit of hindsight by doing so.

There are a number of players in that Man Utd squad that have come through or are much improved under his stewardship. He may have got us relegated too, but if the DNA of our football had also changed then I think I’d have been ok with that too. I was also taken in by the Warnock rhetoric in the early days but during and since that season in the Premier League I’ve become more than a little disillusioned.

If you asked me now if I’d have taken a relegation then to League 1 followed by 2 promotions over the next 7 years with a side that played like Norwich or Brentford, I know I’d take it.

I don’t think we have a plan… we live year to year and we’re going to become the Everton of the Championship… flattering to deceive occasionally but realistically too good to go down, but never really good enough to go up.

Will add another reply tomorrow but I've barely got in through the door from 6.30am long slog at work today.... I read the benefit of hindsight comment and wanted to say I think I was one of few who stuck by him on here for as long as I possibly could.

[Citizen's Nephew]

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I take it all back then.. maybe Gabbs & Young didn't get long enough :hehe:

I totally forgot about them - didn't even make my list. I'm going to have nightmares tonight thinking about it.

[Rjk]

Re: Is it time to give OGS credit?

yes of course it is.
he's not a world class tactician, but at man u he's improved them immensely. can you remember how turgid and dull they were under mourihnio, and LVG. both of whom also spent a lot of money as well.
the signings recently at man utd have been a lot more hit than miss.
I'm not convinced that he would have ever got It right here, or that he has what it takes to win the league there, but he's definitely due some credit

[Hilts]

Re: Is it time to give OGS credit?

yes of course it is.
he's not a world class tactician, but at man u he's improved them immensely. can you remember how turgid and dull they were under mourihnio, and LVG. both of whom also spent a lot of money as well.
the signings recently at man utd have been a lot more hit than miss.
I'm not convinced that he would have ever got It right here, or that he has what it takes to win the league there, but he's definitely due some credit

Mourinho and LVG actually won something.

OGS has to win silverware this season. Hes spent an absolute fortune.

The fact that he was utterly useless here will never change though.

[Rjk]

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Mourinho and LVG actually won something.

OGS has to win silverware this season. Hes spent an absolute fortune.

The fact that he was utterly useless here will never change though.

finishing second under OLE is more impressive than winning the Europa League IMO

[Hilts]

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finishing second under OLE is more impressive than winning the Europa League IMO

United finished 2nd under Mourinho and he won the Europa League.

[Rjk]

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United finished 2nd under Mourinho and he won the Europa League.

and then he finished 6th?

[Hilts]

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and then he finished 6th?

Yes and got sacked it wasnt working.

Ole after splashing all this cash he is so far without silverware. He needs to win something and push Man City very close or hes failed.

Failed in a Europa League Final against a side who probably had spent a tiny fraction of what Ole had at his disposal. In fact I wouldnt be suprised if Maguires fee alone was more than they spent.

I will give him credit in that hes not sacked yet. I thought hed be so useless hed be long gone by now.

Its not hard for an average manager with the resources he has to have Man U at the top. Neil Lennon won multiple trophies at Celtic. I dont rate his achievements that much but hes way above OGS.

[Rjk]

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Yes and got sacked it wasnt working.

Ole after splashing all this cash he is so far without silverware. He needs to win something and push Man City very close or hes failed.

Failed in a Europa League Final against a side who probably had spent a tiny fraction of what Ole had at his disposal. In fact I wouldnt be suprised if Maguires fee alone was more than they spent.

I will give him credit in that hes not sacked yet. I thought hed be so useless hed be long gone by now.

Its not hard for an average manager with the resources he has to have Man U at the top. Neil Lennon won multiple trophies at Celtic. I dont rate his achievements that much but hes way above OGS.

Celtic have more income than the rest of the league put together apart from Rangers - they should be winning everything every year.

Man U have spent a fortune, but then so have the rest of the top 4.
Liverpool and Chelsea barely scraped into the top 4 while man u did comfortably.
They play good football and they're a lot better than since he took over. If they improve again this year then it's very difficult to argue he's not doing a good job.

[Hilts]

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Celtic have more income than the rest of the league put together apart from Rangers - they should be winning everything every year.

Man U have spent a fortune, but then so have the rest of the top 4.
Liverpool and Chelsea barely scraped into the top 4 while man u did comfortably.
They play good football and they're a lot better than since he took over. If they improve again this year then it's very difficult to argue he's not doing a good job.

I agree if they improve they will have won the league. So it will be difficult to argue otherwise.