9 home games without a clean sheet

[Eric the Half a Bee]

Re: 9 home games without a clean sheet

This side is currently 3 places outside the play offs having played 5 teams with an average placing of 17th and you think we can get promotion.

We shall see. I think many of the more sensible posters can see if we carry on in this vein then we will not be worrying the promotion spots, play offs or otherwise. Something needs to change.

But then we're not ***insert bottom club at the time*** so we should be grateful and be happy for everything the team and management does.

I don't think that challenging for promotion is the biggest issue for City fans at the moment. I think most of us accept we're in a bit of a transition period where we're trying to be as good as we can given our circumstances.

The problem is that this transition period isn't looking forward at all. It's still playing archaic football in the hope it might give us a playoff place.

[Citizen's Nephew]

Re: 9 home games without a clean sheet

Over the end of last season and the start of this, 9 successive sides have breached the Cardiff City home defence. The last time we saw this was 11 successive games in 2016, with the Paul Trollope era in the middle of it. There are only 16 occasions in our history where we've conceded in 9 or more successive games. Prior to that we conceded in 10 successive home games in the first part of the 2001/02 season.

Our worst run was 17 games without a home clean sheet in 1936/37.

Some film of that 1936 Cardiff side https://youtu.be/7huzG9qe1Ng

[surge]

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It's slightly premature to talk about where teams are placed in the table when so few games have been played and the transfer window hasn't yet closed.

Or, at least, if you've made your mind up already then it's a hell of a long season left for you.

"The problem is that this transition period isn't looking forward at all." Are we still trying to make that argument? It might not be looking forward enough or as quickly as we'd like but blatantly more forward looking than under Slade or Warnock.

[Eric the Half a Bee]

Re: 9 home games without a clean sheet

It's slightly premature to talk about where teams are placed in the table when so few games have been played and the transfer window hasn't yet closed.

Or, at least, if you've made your mind up already then it's a hell of a long season left for you.

"The problem is that this transition period isn't looking forward at all." Are we still trying to make that argument? It might not be looking forward enough or as quickly as we'd like but blatantly more forward looking than under Slade or Warnock.

More because we have to than by choice! It's where we are.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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So looking at something statistically is the "knives coming out"?

Crikey.

Yep as you always look at the negative statistics

Here is a positive one for you

We have 8 points and are 9th

[blue lewj]

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Some film of that 1936 Cardiff side https://youtu.be/7huzG9qe1Ng

It's not surprising they conceded so many in those roll neck chunky knit jumpers.

A drop of rain and they would have been 5 stone heavier.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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This side is currently 3 places outside the play offs having played 5 teams with an average placing of 17th and you think we can get promotion.

We shall see. I think many of the more sensible posters can see if we carry on in this vein then we will not be worrying the promotion spots, play offs or otherwise. Something needs to change.

But then we're not ***insert bottom club at the time*** so we should be grateful and be happy for everything the team and management does.

The only thing that needs to change is we need to win a couple of games

Then the bleating will stop

[blue lewj]

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The only thing that needs to change is we need to win a couple of games

Then the bleating will stop

And say we don't win a couple of games and slide down the league?

Will people admit they were even a small bit wrong?
I doubt it.

"At least we're not bottom".

[Feedback]

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So looking at something statistically is the "knives coming out"?

Crikey.

a statistician will tell you if you sleep with your feet in a fridge and head in an oven on average you'll feel comfortable.

[the other bob wilson]

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Sludge, twenty five years ago, I used to say that I wouldn't see City playing in the second tier again in my lifetime. Not for the first time, I was hopelessly wrong and we're now approaching twenty years of continuous existence in the top two divisions. Things have clearly moved on from when I was so pessimistic, but you continuously come over as not having done so.

For the second half of our continuous Championship and above existence, we've had a billionaire owner. Just think about that, when it was first revealed that Vincent Tan would be taking over, we were a top half Championship side which had players that, on their day, were among the most talented individuals in the division - we had a team which, certainly at home, went out fearing no one in the league.

The addition of a billionaire owner was going to be the cherry on the cake, there would be no stopping us now. Nearly a decade later, the billionaire owner has provided enough funding, and more, to turn us into an established Premier League side like, say, Palace, yet what are we? A team aiming to finish in a Play Off place, but less likely to do so than the one that was here before Vincent Tan arrived and, instead of flair and talent that made us a great side to watch on form, we have workhorses, giants and a pretty serious lack of pace.

People aren't down on the club because of its results this season. I believe they are fast reaching the stage, if they aren't there already, where they have had enough of a club like us, that has had so many advantages we couldn't have dreamed of fifteen years ago, playing a brand of underdog football which lets the opposition have the ball (I often think we want them to have it) and rely on a long ball approach which is aimed at gaining set pieces from which we can send our enormous centrebacks forward.

We play in a manner that was most effective in the decade before I was thinking we wouldn't reach the Championship again and, damningly, our previous manager gave up on his attempt to get us to play a more possession based game because he figured our under achieving squad was better suited to going "back to basics". That is the situation that all of those years of underdog football where we play in a way that sends a signal which says we can't beat you in a proper game of football has got us - we play dull, atritional football which, judging by league position is becoming less effective with every passing season.

Ironically, I thought the ball spent less time in the air than normal on Saturday and we passed it about quite well at times. Although I'm far from convinced of this yet, I think Mick McCarthy might be trying to get us to play in a more modern way, but, to counter that, we were dreadful for about 80 per cent of the Peterborough and Millwall matches despite ending up with four points.

As mentioned earlier, I can't see that people are unhappy with our results so far this season, but the fact that they are being achieved by us playing in the way that we do is behind the criticism. I'm not moaning anywhere near as much as I could do because, despite us finally looking to bring through Academy players into the side, I've become resigned to the situation - our Board occasionally talks about the need for more entertaining football, but, in general, our signings and managerial appointments suggest something completely different.

[B. Oddie]

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Apologies Sludge, I meant to call someone else an idiot, not you pal.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Re: 9 home games without a clean sheet

Sludge, twenty five years ago, I used to say that I wouldn't see City playing in the second tier again in my lifetime. Not for the first time, I was hopelessly wrong and we're now approaching twenty years of continuous existence in the top two divisions. Things have clearly moved on from when I was so pessimistic, but you continuously come over as not having done so.

For the second half of our continuous Championship and above existence, we've had a billionaire owner. Just think about that, when it was first revealed that Vincent Tan would be taking over, we were a top half Championship side which had players that, on their day, were among the most talented individuals in the division - we had a team which, certainly at home, went out fearing no one in the league.

The addition of a billionaire owner was going to be the cherry on the cake, there would be no stopping us now. Nearly a decade later, the billionaire owner has provided enough funding, and more, to turn us into an established Premier League side like, say, Palace, yet what are we? A team aiming to finish in a Play Off place, but less likely to do so than the one that was here before Vincent Tan arrived and, instead of flair and talent that made us a great side to watch on form, we have workhorses, giants and a pretty serious lack of pace.

People aren't down on the club because of its results this season. I believe they are fast reaching the stage, if they aren't there already, where they have had enough of a club like us, that has had so many advantages we couldn't have dreamed of fifteen years ago, playing a brand of underdog football which lets the opposition have the ball (I often think we want them to have it) and rely on a long ball approach which is aimed at gaining set pieces from which we can send our enormous centrebacks forward.

We play in a manner that was most effective in the decade before I was thinking we wouldn't reach the Championship again and, damningly, our previous manager gave up on his attempt to get us to play a more possession based game because he figured our under achieving squad was better suited to going "back to basics". That is the situation that all of those years of underdog football where we play in a way that sends a signal which says we can't beat you in a proper game of football has got us - we play dull, atritional football which, judging by league position is becoming less effective with every passing season.

Ironically, I thought the ball spent less time in the air than normal on Saturday and we passed it about quite well at times. Although I'm far from convinced of this yet, I think Mick McCarthy might be trying to get us to play in a more modern way, but, to counter that, we were dreadful for about 80 per cent of the Peterborough and Millwall matches despite ending up with four points.

As mentioned earlier, I can't see that people are unhappy with our results so far this season, but the fact that they are being achieved by us playing in the way that we do is behind the criticism. I'm not moaning anywhere near as much as I could do because, despite us finally looking to bring through Academy players into the side, I've become resigned to the situation - our Board occasionally talks about the need for more entertaining football, but, in general, our signings and managerial appointments suggest something completely different.

Cardiff City fans are very good about moaning

In the years I have followed them that's all many of them do

Warnock shaped us , took us up then the knives came out

MM went on a great run , we stuttered , out come the moaners

I am no tan disciple but he clearly thinks plenty of money has been spent and we have to work with what we have

It's pointless people moaning about the lack of liquid football because at present we simply don't have the players

Therefore the plan is to get the ball and plenty of bodies into the opponents penalty area as often as possible

Either we get a new owner or a new manager or we support someone else 🤷

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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Apologies Sludge, I meant to call someone else an idiot, not you pal.

To be fair .......

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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And say we don't win a couple of games and slide down the league?

Will people admit they were even a small bit wrong?
I doubt it.

"At least we're not bottom".

Ten games , 12 games

[dml1954]

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We'll see how upbeat people are when we come up against the better teams in this league.

See what answer the happy clappers and everything is rosy in the garden brigade have then.

At least the ‘happy clappers’ will be able to comfort themselves by knowing that they are not in the soothsaying, doom and gloom, camp with people like you.