Dalman and Choo have to go

[Rjk]

Re: Dalman and Choo have to go

Spot on, we’re back in mid table with a threadbare squad and the same financial woes. There’s clearly no long term plan or strategy at the club.

“The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.”

there seems to be more long term planning going on at the moment than at any time previously.
most recent seasons have been all about the current season with no regard to what problems we were building up longer term.

now we are stripping out the premier League wages, which are largely wasted on players who aren't good enough to get us back to the premier League or keep us there.
bringing youth prospects through which will hopefully reduce the number of players we need to sign to replace the players we are clearing out.
signing younger players in positions where we know we are going to lose players NEXT season i.e. McGuiness and Wintle - we potentially lose almost our entire defence and midfield next season, so we have at least tried to bring in players who hopefully will be upto speed by then.
all the while the homegrown players will be getting better with experience and the fewer players we have to sign the Bette rwe can make those players.

I feel much more comfortable with the longer term direction at the moment than Warnock giving sol Bamba an extra year at the age of 34 while recovering from a knee ligament injury.

it will be a real stretch to be able to compete with clubs who have more that twice as much to spend on their squads as we do, but that's the situation we are in now.
it isn't impossible, but it requires a different approach to the one we've been taking so far.

[BLUETIT]

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Shame we didn't get Tomlin and Vassell out the door yesterday.

Would Tomlin fit through a door frame ?

[surge]

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We've lost more players than we've signed and ended up only being short (in number) at LB and potentially 3rd CB.

Shows how bloated the squad was when starting back in the Championship - this has helped us manage covid seasons more effectively than others and if covid comes back in a big way then we might be the team suffering now - but two players for each position isn't bad.

Think it's time for fans to get behind what we've got, though conversations about future directions will definitely come up again towards end of the season.

[dml1954]

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An idiot would suggest Messrs Dalman and Choo have been running a 'successful' top six championship side for a number of years when they haven't.

An idiot is someone would provide a list of our Championship finishing positions since 2012/2013 and deliberately miss out three of our most successful seasons (1st, 2nd and 5th), presumably only because it doesn't fit his argument and beggars his figures up. Our average Championship finishing position in the last nine seasons has been 6.7 and the other two seasons we were in the Premier League. If that doesn’t make us a successful top six club, I don't know what does. Not by your definition though obviously, due to your blind hatred of anyone associated with Vincent Tan.

[The Lone Gunman]

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An idiot is someone would provide a list of our Championship finishing positions since 2012/2013 and deliberately miss out three of our most successful seasons (1st, 2nd and 5th), presumably only because it doesn't fit his argument and beggars his figures up.

You claimed "Choo and Dalman have been running a successful top six championship side for a number of years."

Dalman became Chairman in July 2013. In his first season as Chairman, the club was relegated to the Championship, having finished rock bottom of the Premier League. The club's record with Dalman as Chairman is as follows:

2013/14 - 20th in the Premier League (relegated)
2014/15 - 11th in the Championship
2015/16 - 8th in the Championship
2016/17 - 12th in the Championship
2017/18 - 2nd in the Championship (promoted)
2018/19 - 18th in the Premier League (relegated)
2019/20 - 5th in the Championship
2020/21 - 8th in the Championship

Not quite as you described, is it? And let's not forget the club has been continually losing significant sums of money during that period. Successful? Do you really think so?

[Citizen's Nephew]

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An idiot is someone would provide a list of our Championship finishing positions since 2012/2013 and deliberately miss out three of our most successful seasons (1st, 2nd and 5th), presumably only because it doesn't fit his argument and beggars his figures up. Our average Championship finishing position in the last nine seasons has been 6.7 and the other two seasons we were in the Premier League. If that doesn’t make us a successful top six club, I don't know what does. Not by your definition though obviously, due to your blind hatred of anyone associated with Vincent Tan.

My assessment would be measured against Wolves who went up at the same time. They would be my definition of successful and we are no way near that standard of success.

What about Villa? Leeds? If Wolves come down I’d be amazed if they didn’t go straight back up. Remember that was the line sold to the fans when we got relegated. Then we got Harris! Burnley bought Roberts for F all and we couldn’t stretch to that measly sum. It’s not right. None of the lads coming through are going to set the league on fire and if any of them do, they’ll sell them!

But hey, let’s be excited by having a Wolves player on loan.

[2b2bdoo]

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We knew we had to get rid of some of the earners, I think signing Collins was a key bit of business. The youngsters have to be up to it now.
I think of most this was to be expected.

[Feedback]

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They have senior roles at HR Owen and both live in west London. They are inexperienced in football Roles and refuse to supplement the boardroom with football men who can add expert direction.

they've both been here for 10 years. Just how long does it take to become an experienced football man? Also, I've heard that term bandied about before

[delmbox]

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Wasn't expecting anything yesterday. It's disappointing that Murphy left but history suggests that we're not going to miss him. Personally I'm more excited about a season with the kids than I am about a few 30 somethings coming in yesterday

[dml1954]

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My assessment would be measured against Wolves who went up at the same time. They would be my definition of successful and we are no way near that standard of success.

What about Villa? Leeds? If Wolves come down I’d be amazed if they didn’t go straight back up. Remember that was the line sold to the fans when we got relegated. Then we got Harris! Burnley bought Roberts for F all and we couldn’t stretch to that measly sum. It’s not right. None of the lads coming through are going to set the league on fire and if any of them do, they’ll sell them!

But hey, let’s be excited by having a Wolves player on loan.

Measly sum - £2.5m. We haven't got it and neither have most of the other clubs in the Championship. Wolves bought themselves access to the Premier League by buying in and loaning in half of Portugal's national team due to their Jorge Mendes contacts.

[dml1954]

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You claimed "Choo and Dalman have been running a successful top six championship side for a number of years."

Dalman became Chairman in July 2013. In his first season as Chairman, the club was relegated to the Championship, having finished rock bottom of the Premier League. The club's record with Dalman as Chairman is as follows:

2013/14 - 20th in the Premier League (relegated)
2014/15 - 11th in the Championship
2015/16 - 8th in the Championship
2016/17 - 12th in the Championship
2017/18 - 2nd in the Championship (promoted)
2018/19 - 18th in the Premier League (relegated)
2019/20 - 5th in the Championship
2020/21 - 8th in the Championship

Not quite as you described, is it? And let's not forget the club has been continually losing significant sums of money during that period. Successful? Do you really think so?

Dalman joined the City board in January 2012 and was effectively running the club until he was made chairman in 2013. As I said City are a successful Championship club. Word twisting and loose interpretation by you again.

[insider]

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Dalman joined the City board in January 2012 and was effectively running the club until he was made chairman in 2013. As I said City are a successful Championship club. Word twisting and loose interpretation by you again.

They are all business men how do you equate your term success with the millions thrown down a black hole?

[Citizen's Nephew]

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Measly sum - £2.5m. We haven't got it and neither have most of the other clubs in the Championship. Wolves bought themselves access to the Premier League by buying in and loaning in half of Portugal's national team due to their Jorge Mendes contacts.

There’s always an excuse. It’s never our owner’s or the board’s responsibility is it? I think we’re being lied to. But I’m going to leave it there. I know when I’m flogging a dead horse.

[The Lone Gunman]

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Dalman joined the City board in January 2012 and was effectively running the club until he was made chairman in 2013.

Really?!? Can you prove it?

If what you say is correct, why did Vincent Tan appoint Simon Lim as acting chairman in March 2013 instead of Mehmet Dalman? And why did Dalman tell the press in June 2014 that his new position as Executive Chairman after Lim’s departure gave him the power to make executive decisions?

[dml1954]

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They are all business men how do you equate your term success with the millions thrown down a black hole?

Millions of Tans own money. Plus I was talking about success on the pitch. We haven't finished lower in the Championship than 13th since 2008.