Cultural Appropriation

[Tuerto]

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that example was more to do with cultures changing rapidly at the moment.
if one of my kids develops a deep interest in black music and then spends their whole childhood voraciously listening to it at every opportunity then is that not their culture as well?

it may not be the same as someone who is black appreciating it, there may not be the same link to the lyrics etc but if it's the only culture they know then that's their culture in my opinion, so I think we may have to accept as time goes on that cultures are going to merge a lot more than historically.
I think what is important is not preventing that, but ensuring that people from minority cultures aren't excluded from the success and opportunities associated with it.

Culture is culture! everyone should be able to enjoy it and immerse themselves in it. Although, as a white man, i suppose it's quite easy for me to say that as i've never been in a position where i've had to protect my culture. I do agree with you though. I think that the BBC article is black people attacking the establishment rather than individuals.

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Are folk saying that only black people should represent / comment on R & B or Soul as I would have though there has been many white folk who have been defined as a great soul or R&B voice or sound .

I remember in he early years Zeppelin were referred too as a white man blues sound .

Steve Marriott had a wonderful voice and guitar for the blues and R&B .

I don't think anybody's saying that but I look forward to Craig David's podcast on country and western music which will be out soon

[JamesWales]

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I don't think anybody's saying that but I look forward to Craig David's podcast on country and western music which will be out soon

Bloody racist.

Country music's origins are in a large part derived from music originating on the plantations. The banjo is an African instrument.

[blue lewj]

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I don't think anybody's saying that but I look forward to Craig David's podcast on country and western music which will be out soon

Not sure I've heard much about that.

Can you fill me in?

[Rjk]

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I don't think anybody's saying that but I look forward to Craig David's podcast on country and western music which will be out soon

not the point you're making , I know, but sometimes it's just as interesting to see something you're familiar with through someone else's eyes who is completely fresh to it as hearing someone who's an expert talk about it.

this reaction video (that's been going around for years) of someone listening to RATM for the first time never fails to bring a smile to the face.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eUxQ2_CQlw

Craig David on country could be just as intoxicating.

[LeningradCowboy]

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I don't think that your comparison with Korean pop music is the best, in my opinion. I guess that the angle of this article is UK based, and relating to black people in this country being overlooked for jobs where they maybe best suited. Not my words, that of the article, before anyone wants to have a go.

Historically, South Koreans have not been discriminated against in the UK, or by Western Culture, not that i am aware of anyway. Although i'm sure Feedback will find something in his locker from the 11th century :hehe: So, the comparison you makeis sort of coming from an historical level playing field, it's not like white culture has had a negative effect on South Korean people in terms of progress and opportunity. To me, there has to be some historical context.

What an astonishingly ignorant post.

[tforturton]

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The problem here is one of definition. It's not cultural appropriation (CA) for a white person to present a show, on a subject that perhaps a black person 'might' know more about. That's just a poor decision. Or rather, in this case, it's a commercial decision, right or wrong.

I sort of get it when black people say you shouldn't have cornrows in you hair, because it's CA, but then I see plenty of black women with straightened hair, or even hair died blonde. Surely that's also CA?

People have been borrowing, stealing, adopting and adapting things from other cultures since the Year Dot, and to get on your high horse about it now seems ridiculous to me. Everyone does it, everyone has always done it. In fact, if someone is adopting a look from your culture, it's a bit of a compliment, surely?

But like I said, this is more about a job being given to a 'name' on the basis that they might help the viewing/listening figures. Okay, in the case of Cheryl Cole, I'm sure there are plenty of white people who know more about RnB than her, let alone black people. But how is this cultural appropriation? It's just not.

[J R Hartley]

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Fuss over nothing. Some two bit podcast, not worth getting outraged over. It’s not like she’s been awarded a MOBO.

[cityhammer]

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Flip this around and say there was a disagreement that a black man or woman couldn't present a show on say classical music. Would that be wrong?

I think positions like this should be filled by those most qualified and talented to do so, regardless of skin colour or background.
Not sure Cheryl Cole meets the qualified and talented label but still...

But this programme is about Cheryl and her influences, I think she’s the most qualified person for the job. Isn’t it about the fact that a white wiman is saying that she was heavily influenced by black music, so she’s paying homage to the genre?

[cityhammer]

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I don't think anybody's saying that but I look forward to Craig David's podcast on country and western music which will be out soon

If he was influenced by C&W I think that would be an interesting podcast, but I’m guessing he wasn’t, so it’s a shit example to use!

[life on mars]

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Bloody racist.

Country music's origins are in a large part derived from music originating on the plantations. The banjo is an African instrument.

Majority of music lovers except and understand that music was derived from plantations , Africa, and early Greek philosophers like Pythagoras , and folk music this is a political bullshit and point scoring, if someone can give a view on music it doesn't matter what colour they are, it's just an opinion, life is not a about placing someone in a role because of skin colour .

Music is inspiration a joy to all from the foothills of Asia through Africa , Greece and beyond and should be devoid of skin colour classification.

[Dave Blue]

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Just tell me if I can dance at the Nile concert.

[cityhammer]

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Does this work both ways? Anne Boleyn wasn’t black!

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Clearly the view by many that the BBC is full of politically correct luvvy lefties is cobblers as I can't think of a dafter and more unsuitable presenter

The Beeb have missed a trick here

Lisa Stansfield perhaps but Cheryl Cole , dear me

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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Does this work both ways? Anne Boleyn wasn’t black!

Yes he was !