The Bluebirds Academy and DVP thread...

[Pedro de la Rosa]

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What I mean is that compared to Bristol City (and Swansea) we still have a poor reputation for converting academy players to first teamers, so it’s going to affect our ability to retain talent.
The evidence is out there: they regularly sell home grown players for big fees, we end up losing ours when they are 15 or 16.
The scalping from big clubs is (as usual) unfair, but those other clubs are in the same situation as us.

I bet they'll lose a similar number, we just won't hear about them because they've not broken through.

Allededly Crew is on more money than Colwill and Davies. It is life changing money for him and we aren't in a position to match that.

[Rjk]

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so is the biancheri transfer considered an international transfer?

[FormerlyJohnnyBreadhead]

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Begs the question of is the academy providing any value whilst at cat 2.

The better ones seem to leave before we can even get much of a fee.

The others that do progress don't seem to be able to get in the side.

I suppose you are still developing players that will have a career somewhere in the pyramid, much like we take on players who may have come through at bigger clubs. Maybe that's the purpose, because it rarely seems to benefit the club much.

I always think Brentford had the right idea here.

All their young talent was getting poached by big clubs for peanuts, so they scrapped their academy altogether and established a "B" team that picks up released 16-18 year olds. It costs far less to run and they regularly play against men's teams in the UK and abroad (I'm sure we could do something similar against Welsh Prem clubs).

It's already produced several first team Premier League players including Chris Mepham.

You obviously need a good scouting network, but when you look at Denham, Sang, and Bagan, this is actually something we're already doing with some degree of success.

The obvious question is what would happen to the next Ruben Colwill or Isaak Davies, but academy success stories have become so thin on the ground for us, you do have to question if it's a worthy investment.

[Rjk]

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I always think Brentford had the right idea here.

All their young talent was getting poached by big clubs for peanuts, so they scrapped their academy altogether and established a "B" team that picks up released 16-18 year olds. It costs far less to run and they regularly play against men's teams in the UK and abroad (I'm sure we could do something similar against Welsh Prem clubs).

It's already produced several first team Premier League players including Chris Mepham.

You obviously need a good scouting network, but when you look at Denham, Sang, and Bagan, this is actually something we're already doing with some degree of success.

The obvious question is what would happen to the next Ruben Colwill or Isaak Davies, but academy success stories have become so thin on the ground for us, you do have to question if it's a worthy investment.

I wouldn't like to see this, but you can understand the logic

[The Hooded Claw]

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I wouldn't like to see this, but you can understand the logic

Agreed. Brentford are operating in a congested area in West London. We aren’t.

[Pedro de la Rosa]

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Agreed. Brentford are operating in a congested area in West London. We aren’t.

It doesn't matter though, Biancheri and Crew have gone to Manchester and Leeds, area doesn't come in to it then!

Another issue is, all of our best players will play for Wales at youth level, so they're even more high profile.

[the other bob wilson]

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We’ve never given the impression of really going for a Category One Academy and now we’re paying for it. As someone who was all in favour of an Academy, I’m coming around to the view that if we’re not willing/able to have a Category One Academy, is there any point in having one?

[Rjk]

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We’ve never given the impression of really going for a Category One Academy and now we’re paying for it. As someone who was all in favour of an Academy, I’m coming around to the view that if we’re not willing/able to have a Category One Academy, is there any point in having one?

apparently Charlton applied to be a cat 1 academy in October but we're rejected, and Birmingham were recently downgraded to cat 2 as well and now plan to close the academy altogether.

category 1 academies need 18 full time staff and a budget of 2.5m a year, I can't see us doing that unless we are in a much better financial situation

[jon1959]

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We’ve never given the impression of really going for a Category One Academy and now we’re paying for it. As someone who was all in favour of an Academy, I’m coming around to the view that if we’re not willing/able to have a Category One Academy, is there any point in having one?

https://twitter.com/SteveCMB/status/1619997685020499969

@matthewjamesali

Brexit has made it absolutely impossible for academies like ours to prosper. Cat One is so desperately needed to help avoid circumstances like this

@SteveCMB

That’s why the Llanrumney project is so important to ....

@Mr_Peteroy

I thought that project was just to have a better Cat 2 status facility Steve?

@iamtimjbaker

Yeah. My understanding is that we're not actually going for Cat. 1 at the present time.

@SteveCMB

Cat 1, does not stop players being cherry picked but makes it less likely. Until a player signs a pro contract at 17 there is no security.

[Tuerto]

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We’ve never given the impression of really going for a Category One Academy and now we’re paying for it. As someone who was all in favour of an Academy, I’m coming around to the view that if we’re not willing/able to have a Category One Academy, is there any point in having one?

I watch the odd game on youtube etc, and by christ, it's sterile. The players are all technically quite good, but there seems little expression on the ball, it's like they're all cloned to play a certain way. I don't know how long we have had an academy, but we don't seem to produce anything of note, and i reckon it's the coaching. Look at the players we have produced over the past 20 years, Ramsey, Collins, Ledley, Gunter, Ralls, Earnie, they all had something about them, a bit of character, belief etc. Is that trait being coached out of young players by these anemic looking and sounding blokes with clipboards and tight tracksuits?

[Rjk]

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I think cat 1 means we would get 40,000 per year compensation for a player instead of 25000 per year as a cat 2.
if we have a serious talent that isn't going to put off the biggest clubs.
the best thing to do is make sure we are regularly bringing players through to the first team.

[Tuerto]

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I think cat 1 means we would get 40,000 per year compensation for a player instead of 25000 per year as a cat 2.
if we have a serious talent that isn't going to put off the biggest clubs.
the best thing to do is make sure we are regularly bringing players through to the first team.

A serious talent......

[dandywarhol]

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A very young side today. Some encouraging promotions too for Welch and So Sani.

O'Reilly, Coxe, Abbruzzese, Patten (c), Blaise, Menayese, Welch, Weymans, Harris, Humphries, So Sani

SUBS: Young, Byrne, Kelly, Waite (Only four apparently)

If we've got a four year in the squad,then no doubt Man U ill snap him up.

[City123]

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We’ve never given the impression of really going for a Category One Academy and now we’re paying for it. As someone who was all in favour of an Academy, I’m coming around to the view that if we’re not willing/able to have a Category One Academy, is there any point in having one?

Category 1 won't necessarily stop players going though. The only way to really keep our players is Premier League football. Look at Fulham, they've lost Sessegnon, Elliott & Carvalho in recent year but it looks like they may keep Luke Harris (who may well be the best of the bunch) as they're performing well in the Premier League

[City123]

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A serious talent......

Crew & Biancheri have been deemed good enough as teenagers to be signed by Premier League sides. Crew is already in Leeds' under 21 team and trained with their seniors, Biancheri was training with our seniors as a 16 year old, it's not beyond us to produce a serious talent. This crop of Cardiff players make up the bulk of a successful Wales u17s side

Rjk's right, 40k a year is what 400k if you've had them from 6 to 16? How much has been spent on their development in that time? It's a ridiculous rule shafting smaller clubs