The Bluebirds Academy and DVP thread...

[Pedro de la Rosa]

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he will get better coaching there, and probably better loan moves.
we don't exactly have a great track record of turning out great youngsters

It doesn't help that all our best youngsters go. We've lost loads to the big clubs recently.

[Whisperer]

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Where’s the welsh Journo’s when you need them, bit of investigative journalism on this subject could make some noise and ruffle some feathers.

[Rjk]

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they should at the very least make a mandatory sell-on fee, split by the number of years the players have been at whichever clubs before they're 21 or something

[Pedro de la Rosa]

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Where’s the welsh Journo’s when you need them, bit of investigative journalism on this subject could make some noise and ruffle some feathers.

When this got pushed through, the PL said it is this, or no TV money. Nobody important cares because the big clubs get what they want and nothing will change. We can kick up a stink, it won't change anything. If they didn't punish them for the Super League stuff, they definitely won't change this. The only time it will change is if basically every club below the PL stops running academies because there's no point.

[City123]

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Where’s the welsh Journo’s when you need them, bit of investigative journalism on this subject could make some noise and ruffle some feathers.

What is there to investigate? This is the system working as intended

[City123]

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When this got pushed through, the PL said it is this, or no TV money. Nobody important cares because the big clubs get what they want and nothing will change. We can kick up a stink, it won't change anything. If they didn't punish them for the Super League stuff, they definitely won't change this. The only time it will change is if basically every club below the PL stops running academies because there's no point.

In retrospect we could have been cynical and chucked a few kids on at Leeds to try and bump the price up if we knew they were going. Sunderland played a 15 year old the other day

[LA Bluebird]

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I don’t think that’s how it works is it? Fixed price for every year in the academy I thought, nothing else you can do until they sign a contract at 17.

[City123]

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I don’t think that’s how it works is it? Fixed price for every year in the academy I thought, nothing else you can do until they sign a contract at 17.

Didn't Fulham manage to up the price for Harvey Elliott by playing him in a couple of games? They aren't a category 1 academy either

[Pedro de la Rosa]

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In retrospect we could have been cynical and chucked a few kids on at Leeds to try and bump the price up if we knew they were going. Sunderland played a 15 year old the other day

I think that's what they've tried to do with Benjamin. I'm not sure how Ampadu and Elliot went for a fair chunk, when I was under the impression it is all fixed. A tribunal ruled that Ampadu went for less than what Chelsea had bid, though because that seems fair.

[Rjk]

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Didn't Fulham manage to up the price for Harvey Elliott by playing him in a couple of games? They aren't a category 1 academy either

depends if he's signed a pro contract, after 17 it goes to a tribunal where number of games played does make a difference

[City123]

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depends if he's signed a pro contract, after 17 it goes to a tribunal where number of games played does make a difference

He didn't sign a pro deal at Fulham, he left at 16

[Trigger]

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I suppose to a lesser degree we also poach players from others further down the pyramid.

There's also no guarantee that these will turn out to be first teamers at those clubs, they have such wealth that they can afford to pick up and pay so many more.players in the hope one or two turn out quality.

Still, it's shit and the system is broken, can see why Brentford ditched theirs although their location helps offset that massively.

[Pedro de la Rosa]

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He didn't sign a pro deal at Fulham, he left at 16

Same as Ampadu. I’m not sure how it works, EPPP makes it cut and dried I thought

[City123]

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Same as Ampadu. I’m not sure how it works, EPPP makes it cut and dried I thought

Glen Williams reporting "big six figure fees" for both

Ampadu was about £2.5m in the end I think, he and Elliott's deals went to a tribunal. Only reasons I can see is that they played in first team games

I do think we're far too cautious about giving young players a shot, look at someone like Conway at Bristol City, he was playing for Bath last season and is now in their first team. Sometimes they just need opportunity. We're still cautious giving players like Colwill & Davies runs in the team when the guys ahead of them are consistently poor

[the other bob wilson]

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Glen Williams reporting "big six figure fees" for both

Ampadu was about £2.5m in the end I think, he and Elliott's deals went to a tribunal. Only reasons I can see is that they played in first team games

I do think we're far too cautious about giving young players a shot, look at someone like Conway at Bristol City, he was playing for Bath last season and is now in their first team. Sometimes they just need opportunity. We're still cautious giving players like Colwill & Davies runs in the team when the guys ahead of them are consistently poor

I’ll put the usual caveat about performance meaning more than results in first, but for about fifteen years I watched Academy games against Bristol City and saw us beat them far more times than lose to them, yet the wurzels have never been as reluctant to give youngsters a chance in the first team and have benefited to the tune of eight figure transfer fees on a few occasions. Just coming out with the tired old line about our youngsters not being good enough because they aren’t playing in the Premier League every week misses a point about the underlying philosophy at City - youngsters are seen very much as a last resort.