The Bluebirds Academy and DVP thread...

[Pedro de la Rosa]

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I think cat 1 means we would get 40,000 per year compensation for a player instead of 25000 per year as a cat 2.
if we have a serious talent that isn't going to put off the biggest clubs.
the best thing to do is make sure we are regularly bringing players through to the first team.

Cat 1 isn't worth it for a club like ours. We can't afford to run one. The £2.5m estimate is the minimum, too. Most Cat 1s cost as much as 5m, and that was 10 years ago.

[Pedro de la Rosa]

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Crew & Biancheri have been deemed good enough as teenagers to be signed by Premier League sides. Crew is already in Leeds' under 21 team and trained with their seniors, Biancheri was training with our seniors as a 16 year old, it's not beyond us to produce a serious talent. This crop of Cardiff players make up the bulk of a successful Wales u17s side

Rjk's right, 40k a year is what 400k if you've had them from 6 to 16? How much has been spent on their development in that time? It's a ridiculous rule shafting smaller clubs

PL bulldozed it through. It's an absolute joke. Said they'd pull all the TV money if it didn't happen...

[Undercoverinwurzelland]

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Burnley's scouts are spreading the net wide https://clwbpeldroed.org/2023/01/30/...nt-tom-tweedy/

[MOZZER2]

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another youngster from south wales signs for Burnley Has he been involved with our academy in the past ?

Join us in welcoming 18-year-old Tom Tweedy to the Club from @PenybontFC_! ��������������

The Welsh attacker pens an 18-month deal with the Clarets, and is eligible to play for both the U18s & U21s �� https://t.co/IKDQ0gfHBk pic.twitter.com/Xn2TZ0wqIN

— Burnley FC Academy (@ClaretsAcademy) January 30, 2023

[AdrianAlston]

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We’ve never given the impression of really going for a Category One Academy and now we’re paying for it. As someone who was all in favour of an Academy, I’m coming around to the view that if we’re not willing/able to have a Category One Academy, is there any point in having one?

I kind of agree with this. Or do we just accept that football has no integrity and just get on with it? Big business dominates our society and policy at every level and is generally amoral when it comes to decision making.

The truth of the matter is that Biancheri is the best of the crop at the age of 16, but may not be at the age of 18 or 21. He will do well to get in the Man Utd U18 team next season, let alone the U21's. He is nowhere near the talent that Ramon Calliste, Leon Jeanne or even Christian Roberts were at the same age (Roberts turned down similar advances). His move to them will not improve his development, but will give him a fatter contract at 17. There may also have been some immediate 'benefits'. How David Hughes can look at himself in the mirror is beyond me.

I'm not sure that Cat 1 makes a lot of difference, 60% extra of bugger all, is still bugger all.

[the other bob wilson]

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I kind of agree with this. Or do we just accept that football has no integrity and just get on with it? Big business dominates our society and policy at every level and is generally amoral when it comes to decision making.

The truth of the matter is that Biancheri is the best of the crop at the age of 16, but may not be at the age of 18 or 21. He will do well to get in the Man Utd U18 team next season, let alone the U21's. He is nowhere near the talent that Ramon Calliste, Leon Jeanne or even Christian Roberts were at the same age (Roberts turned down similar advances). His move to them will not improve his development, but will give him a fatter contract at 17. There may also have been some immediate 'benefits'. How David Hughes can look at himself in the mirror is beyond me.

I'm not sure that Cat 1 makes a lot of difference, 60% extra of bugger all, is still bugger all.

I strongly believe the system is completely unfair and should be changed so the Academies can be used for what they were originally, not as a feeders for the richest clubs. However, I don’t agree that a change to category 1 would make no difference to us. For a start, we could make a bent system work for us by picking up good players from other clubs without Category One Academies for the bargain prices that the likes of Man United and Man City (it’d probably be less actuall, because we’d not be able to attract the very best). I’d not like to see us behave like that and would much prefer a fairer system be put in place, but footballs a cut throat business and,if we don’t do it, there’ll be plenty who will.

[LA Bluebird]

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Lewys Benjamin to Man City now according to Twitter?

If the academy model made any sense before Brexit it sure as hell doesn’t now. Might as well be a minor league setup for the bigger prem teams.

[bluesp]

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Lewys Benjamin to Man City now according to Twitter?

If the academy model made any sense before Brexit it sure as hell doesn’t now. Might as well be a minor league setup for the bigger prem teams.

https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1620351286792306688?s=20&t=E_aa3KM1CeLhCJnFWbvMxA

[ccfcwelshlad]

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Lewys Benjamin to Man City now according to Twitter?

If the academy model made any sense before Brexit it sure as hell doesn’t now. Might as well be a minor league setup for the bigger prem teams.

Something will have to give with this or you'll have academies shutting down across the country.

What's the point of investing considerable sums into an academy when you'll see no benefit in terms of players of any standard coming through, or have zero financial benefit from moving them on.

[jon1959]

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Lewys Benjamin to Man City now according to Twitter?

If the academy model made any sense before Brexit it sure as hell doesn’t now. Might as well be a minor league setup for the bigger prem teams.

Another cherry picking raid - although this one delayed until the summer. Sickening - and probably not the best move for Benjamin who would have been playing regularly for the u21s here (although a better move for his bank balance)?

[LA Bluebird]

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I think these players and there advisors are smart enough to realize there’s a much lower chance (if any) of a path to playing regularly for these big clubs, but on the other hand they will get a few years of some of the best coaching in the world, the pick of loan deals around Europe when they are ready and then probably find a landing spot at a team at least the size of Cardiff if it doesn’t pan out for them… plus getting paid an order of magnitude more than they can get here in the meantime.

It’s a no brainer for the players but a real kick in the gut for us and surely something has to give. Anyone know if this is part of what was being looked at in the scope of what the government was trying to push through? The FA surely have to see this as a massive risk if there’s no value for anyone outside of the top 10-15 in the Prem to run an academy.

[Undercoverinwurzelland]

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You can't blame any young player for jumping at the chance to join Man Utd or Man City, but the academy system is badly broken.

[Undercoverinwurzelland]

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Anyone know if this is part of what was being looked at in the scope of what the government was trying to push through? The FA surely have to see this as a massive risk if there’s no value for anyone outside of the top 10-15 in the Prem to run an academy.

I was wondering that, but looking at it now it doesn't look like it is. Clubs need to get together to tell the FA they're considering shutting down their academies unless something changes.

[Pedro de la Rosa]

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Something will have to give with this or you'll have academies shutting down across the country.

What's the point of investing considerable sums into an academy when you'll see no benefit in terms of players of any standard coming through, or have zero financial benefit from moving them on.

Independent regulator should look at this. They won't, though. It doesn't benefit the big 6 and even after the Super League debacle there's no appetite to do anything to curb their power.

[Rjk]

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Another cherry picking raid - although this one delayed until the summer. Sickening - and probably not the best move for Benjamin who would have been playing regularly for the u21s here (although a better move for his bank balance)?

he will get better coaching there, and probably better loan moves.
we don't exactly have a great track record of turning out great youngsters