The Bluebirds Academy and DVP thread...

[the other bob wilson]

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Hull 2-0 up in the dying minutes.

[AdrianAlston]

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Interesting that Lewys Benjamin played for the U18's yesterday. An article by Roath Boy reports that the deal to sign for Man City has fallen thorough. It suggests that Wolves are after him, but that he was playing for us yesterday suggest that he has committed to stay.

[Undercoverinwurzelland]

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Interesting that Lewys Benjamin played for the U18's yesterday. An article by Roath Boy reports that the deal to sign for Man City has fallen thorough. It suggests that Wolves are after him, but that he was playing for us yesterday suggest that he has committed to stay.

That would be good

[AdrianAlston]

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Interesting that Lewys Benjamin played for the U18's yesterday. An article by Roath Boy reports that the deal to sign for Man City has fallen thorough. It suggests that Wolves are after him, but that he was playing for us yesterday suggest that he has committed to stay.

Sorry, the final sentence isn't punctuated properly. For the avoidance of doubt I am suggesting that him playing for our U18's means that he is likely to be staying, not Roath Boy's article.

[City123]

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Xavier Benjamin academy player of the season

[AdrianAlston]

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Xavier Benjamin, signed last summer after being released by QPR Academy player of the year and Philogene being Young player of the year is a bit disappointing for our development system.

I'm not saying they didn't deserve it, but it's a pity that one of our home produced didn't take or get the opportunity.

This wasn't helped by the almost season long injuries experienced by Colwill, Davies and Denham.

Eli King can feel hard done by. On the fringes of a real 1st team breakthrough at the end of last season. He had an outstanding pre-season and a successful loan spell only to be totally ignored upon his return. This despite looking a step above in the U21 games.

Our midfield signings last summer were failures. Our best midfielders this year have been Wintle and Ralls. The new signings, all on long contracts were Adams (injured), Rinhomota (average at best), Sawyers (poor).

Strangly enough, midfield is the position that we have most depth and yet are in most need of a new signing. It won't happen, but I'd move on both Rinhomota and Sawyers. Though, nobody will take them off us.

[the other bob wilson]

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Xavier Benjamin, signed last summer after being released by QPR Academy player of the year and Philogene being Young player of the year is a bit disappointing for our development system.

I'm not saying they didn't deserve it, but it's a pity that one of our home produced didn't take or get the opportunity.

This wasn't helped by the almost season long injuries experienced by Colwill, Davies and Denham.

Eli King can feel hard done by. On the fringes of a real 1st team breakthrough at the end of last season. He had an outstanding pre-season and a successful loan spell only to be totally ignored upon his return. This despite looking a step above in the U21 games.

Our midfield signings last summer were failures. Our best midfielders this year have been Wintle and Ralls. The new signings, all on long contracts were Adams (injured), Rinhomota (average at best), Sawyers (poor).

Strangly enough, midfield is the position that we have most depth and yet are in most need of a new signing. It won't happen, but I'd move on both Rinhomota and Sawyers. Though, nobody will take them off us.

Thanks for that - agree with everything you say.

City had good representation in the Welsh under 17 side which became the first national team to qualify for a Euros at age group level in donkeys years and yet they give the Academy Player of the Year award to someone who has never played an Academy game for us in his life? Absolutely bonkers!

[City123]

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Xavier Benjamin, signed last summer after being released by QPR Academy player of the year and Philogene being Young player of the year is a bit disappointing for our development system.

I'm not saying they didn't deserve it, but it's a pity that one of our home produced didn't take or get the opportunity.

This wasn't helped by the almost season long injuries experienced by Colwill, Davies and Denham.

Eli King can feel hard done by. On the fringes of a real 1st team breakthrough at the end of last season. He had an outstanding pre-season and a successful loan spell only to be totally ignored upon his return. This despite looking a step above in the U21 games.

Our midfield signings last summer were failures. Our best midfielders this year have been Wintle and Ralls. The new signings, all on long contracts were Adams (injured), Rinhomota (average at best), Sawyers (poor).

Strangly enough, midfield is the position that we have most depth and yet are in most need of a new signing. It won't happen, but I'd move on both Rinhomota and Sawyers. Though, nobody will take them off us.

Completely agree, especially the part about our midfield and it's why I never bought into the whole "Morison wans to promote youth" stuff, he signed a host of average-to-poor (often ageing) journeymen, just like the managers before him

[logic]

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Thanks for that - agree with everything you say.

City had good representation in the Welsh under 17 side which became the first national team to qualify for a Euros at age group level in donkeys years and yet they give the Academy Player of the Year award to someone who has never played an Academy game for us in his life? Absolutely bonkers!

Academy setup includes u21 side.

[the other bob wilson]

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Academy setup includes u21 side.

I don’t think it does - I thought the Academy was for the players who are too young to have pro contracts (ie under 18s). Even if I’m wrong though, it’s still mad that someone who is nineteen and hasn’t been with us for a year gets the Academy Player of the Year award - it’s like when Callum Paterson won Young Player of the Year.

[logic]

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I don’t think it does - I thought the Academy was for the players who are too young to have pro contracts (ie under 18s). Even if I’m wrong though, it’s still mad that someone who is nineteen and hasn’t been with us for a year gets the Academy Player of the Year award - it’s like when Callum Paterson won Young Player of the Year.

https://www.cardiffcityfc.co.uk/club-staff/academy

u21 manager listed as Academy staff.

Benjamin has played well for the u21s and been on the first team bench. It would be churlish not to recognise his good play this season due to not having been with the club long enough.

[City123]

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It may have been the case that the u23s weren't considered an academy side, weren't they down as "development"? That doesn't seem to be the case with the u21s

[the other bob wilson]

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https://www.cardiffcityfc.co.uk/club-staff/academy

u21 manager listed as Academy staff.

Benjamin has played well for the u21s and been on the first team bench. It would be churlish not to recognise his good play this season due to not having been with the club long enough.

I despair, if the under 21s are still considered Academy players that goes some way to explaining why we’re so crap at developing young full time professional players into first teamers. Cosseting them in Academys until twenty one only gives staff more of an excuse to say they’re not ready yet.

It’s not that long ago that a City team without a home grown youngster in it was considered unusual - having seventeen year olds in the first team was fairly commonplace and you’d occasionally see a sixteen year old. Now we’re in a position where our manager considers twenty one year olds not ready yet because we’re in a relegation scrap - if I were. a member of the Academy’s staff I’d being seeing the fact that someone like Benjamin won the award for Academy Player of the Year as an admission of failure.

[logic]

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I despair, if the under 21s are still considered Academy players that goes some way to explaining why we’re so crap at developing young full time professional players into first teamers. Cosseting them in Academys until twenty one only gives staff more of an excuse to say they’re not ready yet.

It’s not that long ago that a City team without a home grown youngster in it was considered unusual - having seventeen year olds in the first team was fairly commonplace and you’d occasionally see a sixteen year old. Now we’re in a position where our manager considers twenty one year olds not ready yet because we’re in a relegation scrap - if I were. a member of the Academy’s staff I’d being seeing the fact that someone like Benjamin won the award for Academy Player of the Year as an admission of failure.

So what were u23s then? No longer Academy kids, but not really senior players so an underclass?

What about u21s playing for he u23s? Would an 18 year old be an academy player or not? Are Crole and Ashford not really Academy players either?

I would be interesting to see analysis if possible because I can't recall seeing 17 yr olds and occasionally 16 yr olds in City sides. Maybe, just maybe at lower levels or in meaningless cup games. That isn't even something particular to us, I cant recall ay Championship side that would be the same. The odd player here and there, maybe.

Again, I refer to to criticism of Benjamin winning the award as being churlish. Like it or not, he's part of the Academy setup and if he breaks into the first team, I'll be cheering him on, not worrying he hasn't been at the club for a decade.

[City123]

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So what were u23s then? No longer Academy kids, but not really senior players so an underclass?

What about u21s playing for he u23s? Would an 18 year old be an academy player or not? Are Crole and Ashford not really Academy players either?

I would be interesting to see analysis if possible because I can't recall seeing 17 yr olds and occasionally 16 yr olds in City sides. Maybe, just maybe at lower levels or in meaningless cup games. That isn't even something particular to us, I cant recall ay Championship side that would be the same. The odd player here and there, maybe.

Again, I refer to to criticism of Benjamin winning the award as being churlish. Like it or not, he's part of the Academy setup and if he breaks into the first team, I'll be cheering him on, not worrying he hasn't been at the club for a decade.

They were categorised as "development" weren't they? A sort of weird halfway house between the academy and the first team