The Bluebirds Academy and DVP thread...

[the other bob wilson]

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Spence's goal to make it 3-0 is Hoilett-Camarasaesque (is that a word?). It comes at around 3.15 on the 'u-18 highlights:Watford' video. Griffiths gets lucky with a deflection for his goal but it's a great touch and turn, he was a handful again apparently.

https://www.cardiffcityfc.co.uk/card...video-archive/

Great goal by Spence - you can't have a ref with hair like that though, what is the world coming to .

[Loramski]

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Great goal by Spence - you can't have a ref with hair like that though, what is the world coming to .

I agree completely, if Watford ask for the game to be replayed then they can count on my support.

[the other bob wilson]

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The under 23 team are playing Watford at Cardiff City Stadium today, kick off 12 o clock.

https://twitter.com/CF11Academy

[Loramski]

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The under 23 team are playing Watford at Cardiff City Stadium today, kick off 12 o clock.


https://twitter.com/CF11Academy

A 1-0 defeat against Ipswich, who are top, the goal coming deep into injury time. Interesting selection today, five Academy lads in the squad. They didn't have a game at the weekend so there's no way of telling if this represents a change of policy regarding the under-18s or if it was just a one off. We'll see over the next few weeks.

A match report here while we wait for a proper one off TOBW. Some reaction from captain Ciaron Brown as well.

https://www.cardiffcityfc.co.uk/news/2019/january/u23-report-cardiff-city-0-1-ipswich-town/

https://www.cardiffcityfc.co.uk/news/2019/january/brown-always-a-great-occasion-to-play-at-ccs/

[the other bob wilson]

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Bullying accusations against City's Academy, youngsters finally get a chance in Under 23s and a possible record signing.

http://mauveandyellowarmy.net/

[Loramski]

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Bullying accusations against City's Academy, youngsters finally get a chance in Under 23s and a possible record signing.

http://mauveandyellowarmy.net/

Thanks for that. Spence and Patten randomly played in the Ipswich fixture up at the Vale last season so there is a precedent but it was surprising to see five Academy lads in the squad yesterday, even allowing for the fact that they didn't have a game at the weekend. No point in speculating, there could be all kinds of changes in the next couple of weeks with loan deals, transfers, the Bellamy situation etc so we'll just have to wait and see how things turn out.

I agree with you about Bellamy, we need to know the whole story before we can make a judgement. I'm confused for now, The Mail seem to know all the nitty-gritty of stories from 2016 and 2017 but I thought this all started with an English lad making a recent complaint about Bellamy and who is now training with another club? That seems to have disappeared from the Mail's angle on it for now but I'd have thought that's the most relevant part of the story. I'm sure the club will want to say 'we took the earlier complaints on board, Harvey and Bellamy were warned about their behaviour and now all the lads get treated like royalty and are top of the league' but obviously they can't if there's substance to any current complaint. Again, we'll have to wait and see.

[Loramski]

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Jamie Veale has been released, he's joined Merthyr Town.

http://www.dai-sport.com/double-signing-boost-martyrs-home-clash/

[MOZZER2]

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noticed Regan Poole has gone back to newport county today

[Loramski]

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Rabbi Matondo has turned down a new deal at Man City and is eyeing up the Bundesliga, apparently, although other Premier League clubs are interested.

https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2019/01/17/do-report-everton-and-southampton-planning-etihad-raid-for-rabbi/

[the other bob wilson]

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Rabbi Matondo has turned down a new deal at Man City and is eyeing up the Bundesliga, apparently, although other Premier League clubs are interested.

https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2019/01/1...aid-for-rabbi/

You see a story like that and can't help wondering where his career would be today if he had stayed with us - seems to me that nothing has happened at Cardiff in his absence to make him think he made the wrong decision in leaving us though.

Sad to see Jamie Veale leave the club. I mentioned in my e-mail reply yesterday to the person who informed me of his move to Merthyr that the news didn't come as a surprise, but I thought he would be able to find a club that played at a bit of a higher level than them - maybe he did not want to move away from the area?

My understanding is that Alfie Patten, the lad involved in the original Bellamy story, went to Forest Green after leaving us, was released by them and is now studying in America and I think he may be playing for his college. There have also been some mentions of complaints regarding another player - it sounds like he's still on City's books in some of the stories the Mail has published, but in others it reads like he has now left us, so I'm not sure what's going on there.

[Loramski]

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You see a story like that and can't help wondering where his career would be today if he had stayed with us - seems to me that nothing has happened at Cardiff in his absence to make him think he made the wrong decision in leaving us though.

Sad to see Jamie Veale leave the club. I mentioned in my e-mail reply yesterday to the person who informed me of his move to Merthyr that the news didn't come as a surprise, but I thought he would be able to find a club that played at a bit of a higher level than them - maybe he did not want to move away from the area?

My understanding is that Alfie Patten, the lad involved in the original Bellamy story, went to Forest Green after leaving us, was released by them and is now studying in America and I think he may be playing for his college. There have also been some mentions of complaints regarding another player - it sounds like he's still on City's books in some of the stories the Mail has published, but in others it reads like he has now left us, so I'm not sure what's going on there.

It's a fair point about Matondo although he does strike me as one youngster that Warnock would've been interested in (as long as he was prepared to track back, of course) so there's a case for saying that he could've already been playing regular Premier League football if he'd stayed with us and has actually held back his career by leaving here. Not much of a case though.

Yes, I said the same about Veale. When people criticise the club for not sending youngsters out on loan this is the point they're missing, I think. If there was a long list of league clubs itching to take Veale on loan then why has he gone to Merthyr on being released? I see Connor Young is there too.

The Mail definitely started their allegations on Bellamy with the story of an English youngster who was with the club now but was training elsewhere. The Madden story quickly followed then, as the latest allegation seems to involve a Welsh lad, the original xenophobic angle has now been dropped. Like you, I'm not judging till I know all the facts but I'm a little bit suspicious of the Mail. Here's one of the earlier articles which mentions the current player.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-6553247/Craig-Bellamy-steps-Cardiff-U18-coach-pending-club-investigation-bullying-allegations.html

I assume you've seen the stories linking Macauley Southam with a number of Championship clubs, including Villa. I didn't see that one coming.

[surge]

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Sad to see Jamie Veale leave the club. I mentioned in my e-mail reply yesterday to the person who informed me of his move to Merthyr that the news didn't come as a surprise, but I thought he would be able to find a club that played at a bit of a higher level than them - maybe he did not want to move away from the area?

His twitter reads as follows:

"I’d like to thank @CardiffCityFC for the past 15+ years that I’ve spent with them coming through the ranks and progressing as a player and a person. Ill have memories and friends I’ll remember forever....I’d also like the Thank my Family, @cerysproth and my friends for all the support they’ve given me through my tough times in the last couple of years. Hopefully now I can start enjoying my football again and who knows what the future will hold"

Maybe he wanted to stay close to his friends and family before making decision on next long-term step?

[the other bob wilson]

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You see a story like that and can't help wondering where his career would be today if he had stayed with us - seems to me that nothing has happened at Cardiff in his absence to make him think he made the wrong decision in leaving us though.

Sad to see Jamie Veale leave the club. I mentioned in my e-mail reply yesterday to the person who informed me of his move to Merthyr that the news didn't come as a surprise, but I thought he would be able to find a club that played at a bit of a higher level than them - maybe he did not want to move away from the area?

My understanding is that Alfie Patten, the lad involved in the original Bellamy story, went to Forest Green after leaving us, was released by them and is now studying in America and I think he may be playing for his college. There have also been some mentions of complaints regarding another player - it sounds like he's still on City's books in some of the stories the Mail has published, but in others it reads like he has now left us, so I'm not sure what's going on there.

Sorry, I meant Alfie Madden, not Patten.

I see the Under 18s game at Sheffield United, scheduled for this morning, was frozen off.

[the other bob wilson]

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It's a fair point about Matondo although he does strike me as one youngster that Warnock would've been interested in (as long as he was prepared to track back, of course) so there's a case for saying that he could've already been playing regular Premier League football if he'd stayed with us and has actually held back his career by leaving here. Not much of a case though.

Yes, I said the same about Veale. When people criticise the club for not sending youngsters out on loan this is the point they're missing, I think. If there was a long list of league clubs itching to take Veale on loan then why has he gone to Merthyr on being released? I see Connor Young is there too.

The Mail definitely started their allegations on Bellamy with the story of an English youngster who was with the club now but was training elsewhere. The Madden story quickly followed then, as the latest allegation seems to involve a Welsh lad, the original xenophobic angle has now been dropped. Like you, I'm not judging till I know all the facts but I'm a little bit suspicious of the Mail. Here's one of the earlier articles which mentions the current player.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-6553247/Craig-Bellamy-steps-Cardiff-U18-coach-pending-club-investigation-bullying-allegations.html

I assume you've seen the stories linking Macauley Southam with a number of Championship clubs, including Villa. I didn't see that one coming.

Its all got pretty vague as far as the Bellamy allegations go now - I still think we are only talking about two players (Alfie Madden and someone who has youth caps for Wales), but I may be wrong.

I thought Macauley Southam was a good player, but he'd always be third or fourth on any list I came up with of Academy players who might make it into the first team while he was here. I seem to remember him playing the odd game as a right wing back for the Under 23s, but I don't recall seeing him play right back. Fair play to him, a move to the Championship would be a real feather in his cap, but I have to say that, like with the decision to get rid of Ashley Baker, it does not show City in a good light.

[the other bob wilson]

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Ben Margetson, Joel Bagan, Sam Bowen and Sion Spence from the Under 18 team all starting today for the Under 23s at Colchester - the scheduled Academy game for Saturday was postponed, so it's still hard to tell for sure if there has been a change of approach at the club when it comes to Academy players moving up to the Under 23s.

Its 0-0 after ten minutes.