The Bluebirds Academy and DVP thread...

[surge]

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I'd say Bagan has had two seven out of ten games in the last week. Would a "senior" player hold on to their place if they had come in because of injuries and produced the exact same pair of performances that Bagan has? I suspect they would.

I'd say 6/10 in first game and 8/10 in second game. A senior player wouldn't lose their place but maybe a younger player would be better served by three or four games then taking a rest to ensure confidence high and has time to study tape/correct things before opponents are able to start to pick on the parts of his game needing more development?

[LeningradCowboy]

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Agreed. How would you resolve the left back situation here in January assuming all of them are fit?

Decide which one of Bennett and Cunningham we're more likely to offer a new contract. Make the other one available for loan or a cut-price transfer. Send Bagan out on loan if we don't get any takers.

[surge]

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It's difficult to see a Route for Harris into the side at the moment, we play 1 up top most of the time. If Moore gets injured we'll play Glatzel - then at some point Vassell will be back as well (maybe).

For D'Almeida we've got 4 "central midfielders" in Vaulks, Pack, Ralls and Bacuna, and we have 2 or 3 of them on the pitch at the same time, so agin we are likely to be waiting for at least one probably 2 being out injured to even make a bench.

If we hadn't had 2 left backs and a right back out injured at the same time then Bagan would probably not had his chance. It shouldn't be any wonder that we never bring any players through if we rely on a freak injury crisis to be able to give them game time.

Think Harris would do well in the role Glatzel played against Boro. Long ol' season so would hope Moore gets rested at some point and either Glatzel and Harris tried or Harris off the bench as seen this past weekend. As harsh as it sounds, wouldn't it be better to develop Harris than waiting for Vassell's injury record to turn?

[LeningradCowboy]

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I struggle to understand how anyone can claim that they way we use our fullbacks hasn't changed since Harris took over. At the start of last season we had Bennett and Peltier rarely moving beyond the halfway line. Now our fullbacks play much higher up the pitch, make overlapping runs and deliver crosses into the opposition penalty area.

[Rjk]

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It's difficult to see a Route for Harris into the side at the moment, we play 1 up top most of the time. If Moore gets injured we'll play Glatzel - then at some point Vassell will be back as well (maybe).

For D'Almeida we've got 4 "central midfielders" in Vaulks, Pack, Ralls and Bacuna, and we have 2 or 3 of them on the pitch at the same time, so agin we are likely to be waiting for at least one probably 2 being out injured to even make a bench.

If we hadn't had 2 left backs and a right back out injured at the same time then Bagan would probably not had his chance. It shouldn't be any wonder that we never bring any players through if we rely on a freak injury crisis to be able to give them game time.

well im bang wrong about Harris it seems

[Loramski]

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I struggle to understand how anyone can claim that they way we use our fullbacks hasn't changed since Harris took over. At the start of last season we had Bennett and Peltier rarely moving beyond the halfway line. Now our fullbacks play much higher up the pitch, make overlapping runs and deliver crosses into the opposition penalty area.

I definitely think this is the plan but it's a bit half-hearted for now. I didn't pay particular attention to it last night but I don't remember many overlapping (or underlapping) runs from full back positions nor dangerous balls coming in. The odd thing was that we were deliberately setting up with Pack dropping in between the centre backs when we had possession, sometimes Ralls or Vaulks too, as if to say to the full backs 'you push on, we've got you covered' so I'm not quite sure why it wasn't happening.

My guess would be that the full backs are wary for a couple of reasons. Any run into space is likely to be fruitless because none of the above mentioned players are going to be able to find them with a cross-field pass, or any pass for that matter. The chances of them holding onto any sort of possession aren't great (Ralls' part in their goal, for example) so it would be understandable if the full backs are thinking a 50 yard burst forward is likely to be quickly followed by a u-turn and a 50 yard sprint back. If, by some chance, the ball does reach them, what are they going to find when they look up? No one to link with and Moore and maybe one other in the box marked by 4 or 5 defenders.

I think it's one of a number of examples where we're getting caught between two stools. Wanting to adapt the style of play but not quite having either the personnel or the confidence to fully commit to it.

It would be completely ridiculous to compare DVP level football to the Championship, of course, but I'm going to do it anyway. It makes my waffling relevant to this thread if nothing else. Here's James Waite's 40 pass goal from a while back. Note Ajayi's long passing, also the fact that Waite pops up a number of times between our centre backs but also makes the run into the box to score the goal. Both of these things, plus the availability of players to link with, make it well worth the fireball overlapping right back (Greg Halford) getting forward.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4557bLrXRQ

[Pedro de la Rosa]

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Decide which one of Bennett and Cunningham we're more likely to offer a new contract. Make the other one available for loan or a cut-price transfer. Send Bagan out on loan if we don't get any takers.

Decide who's cheaper . I think you could get decent money for Bennett even in January with 6 months left on his deal, I'm not sure you could get anyone to take Cunningham given his injury record over the last 4/5 seasons.

[the other bob wilson]

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Taz Mayembe back for the under 18s today in their home game with Coventry which kicked off at 11.30.

[the other bob wilson]

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City's Academy team have got into the habit of losing games they were winning at half time, but they've just scored three times in ten minutes to go three up against Coventry through Caleb Hughes with a penalty, Siyabonga Ligendza and Taylor Jones - surely the trend of recent matches ends today?

[the other bob wilson]

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A goal back for Coventry with a penalty o n the hour mark, but a last minute goal by Mayembe secures the win - the first victory for the Under 18s since their opening game and both of their victories this season have been by 4-1.

[the other bob wilson]

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Only just noticed that a City Under 23 side including Tavio D'Almeida and Jack Bodenham were beaten by a penalty in the last ten minutes to nil at Crewe yesterday - just three points from six games for them then.

[the other bob wilson]

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The Under 18s have just kicked off in a tough looking game at Forest - no news of any goals yet.

[City123]

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3-0 Forest at half-time

[jon1959]

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3-0 Forest at half-time

6 - 2 at F-T. Ouch.

[the other bob wilson]

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6 - 2 at F-T. Ouch.

I can only put our poor Academy results down to me not being there to give them inspiration .

In their defence, there are a lot of players in this year's team who are having their first season at this level and they have been missing the player who is probably their biggest match winner, Taz Mayembe, for most of the time because of injury.