Where do we go from here?

[Dorcus]

Re: Where do we go from here?

As said before it starts above Mick McCarthy.
The club has been mis managed for years by Tans cronies that have absolutely no football knowledge at all.
It's all well and good saying we have no creativity or pace but the club hasn't just stumbled upon this it's been allowed to happen over several seasons.
Anyone who thought Harris and then mick would be the answer in the long run ie Dalmen Choo and Tan showed that lack of knowledge.
Fans see a win at Forest and can't see the bigger picture.
You need to have a long term plan change the club from top to bottom and as a fan accept short term losses for the bigger picture.

Hear hear

[ToTaL ITK]

Re: Where do we go from here?

Yeah all that money Jones wasted...

Season CCFC transfer spend CCFC transfer income Manager
05/06 1.58m 4.46m Jones
06/07 1.72m 4.01m Jones
07/08 0 10.31m Jones
08/09 1.11m 8.89m Jones
09/10 6.82m 5.72m Jones
10/11 0.11m 0.4m Jones
11/12 2.56m 1.73m Malky
12/13 11.77m 1.38m Malky
13/14 41.23m 3.37m Malky

Its not unusual so lets bring back Jones

[198bore]

Re: Where do we go from here?

The youth will be ruined here, frantically hooking balls into the channel and scrapping for seconds. Cardiff is no place to learn your craft.

[surge]

Re: Where do we go from here?

In short, what I would have done as a board if they were serious about going in a new direction would be not to have employed Neil Harris followed by Mick McCarthy.

I'm not even sure anybody at the club knows what they want other than to save money. If they are or ever were serious about changing the way we play and being a more footballing, entertaining team then their choice of manager since that statement (Harris and McCarthy) is worrying.

The fans are slowly getting fed up with it and I can honestly see it hitting attendances soon. What then, save more money? Play all of the Under 23s?

What manager are you hiring to change style of play who can't be promised money to spend on squad? What manager is interested in coming to work with players Warnock left?

Simple facts are that Warnock left a squad which wasn't ready to compete for promotion (at least in a non-covid year) and work Harris and Mick have done so far suggests our squad will be far closer to that once they've gone*.

*depending on what is done at end of this season in terms of renewals and replacements. If we play hoofball next year then concerns about what we're teaching the kids are well founded.

Fans might not be inclined to stick around but that's not the best measure of how well things are going - they usually show up in number right at the end of a process when things are obviously better.

[Steve the Tea]

Re: Where do we go from here?

https://youtu.be/RojGQLygQaM

Ahhh.

StT.
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[NYCBlue]

Re: Where do we go from here?

We haven't got the players to dramatically change our style and Tan isn't willing to invest big (rightly so in the middle of a pandemic if I'm letting my head rule my heart). We are stuck with what we have got sadly; do we really think a better manager could do much better with what we have left at the club? Tactics are poor yes, but we lack any real quality or creativity and haven't filled the massive gap that Tomlin has left in the squad. I've never seen a Cardiff team that looks so uncomfortable on the ball, the basics just aren't there.

We can't go anywhere. We're stuck for another 20 months. At least.

[City123]

Re: Where do we go from here?

We can't go anywhere. We're stuck for another 20 months. At least.

I still can't quite believe they gave Mick a 2 year deal

[Tuerto]

Re: Where do we go from here?

I still can't quite believe they gave Mick a 2 year deal

It'll probably get extended before Christmas, knowing those absolute pellets.

[DubaiDai]

Re: Where do we go from here?

This almost guarantee that Mick will keep us in the division while throwing kids in at all angles is far from certain in my opinion.

If teams could throw kids in and it was just a case of them getting exposure and improving and they will reach the level required then every team would do it. Why spend money if it was that easy?
I've seen a few signs one or two of our kids may not be up to it. Give the kids chance yes, when they are good enough and when the situation allows and their confidence doesn't get shot to bits. I don't think some of the kids are at the level needed and it certainly isn't an environment to nurture them and gradually bring them into the team. Apart from against Blackpool we've been bad for large spells of the other games. It is worrying.

Agree with part of this. If fans truly believe we have too much to be relegated then they are under an illusion.
Check the tables again after 15 games and see where we are. Also ask our friends down west if they think they have too much quality to go down.
Yes we seem to be playing many more youngsters, but are they being coached the Mick way ?

[NYCBlue]

Re: Where do we go from here?

I still can't quite believe they gave Mick a 2 year deal

As soon as he won a couple of games I knew that was it. Such is our board. And people think Tan is a smart bloke.

[dembethewarrior]

Re: Where do we go from here?

What's so dramatic about not instructing Sean Morrison not to hoof the ball 70 yards up the pitch and play it 10 yards up the pitch to an open team mate?

[dembethewarrior]

Re: Where do we go from here?

These threads should start by posting link to isde Warnock left us (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019%E...ty_F.C._season) and posters saying what they would have done differently since.

Most will say they'd spend money or magically get the players playing a different style....would you actually have done differently to what the board have done since Warnock left?

Next step is asking where we'll be at the end of the season and whether we think we'll need to change direction at that point. That's the next time we have a clean slate.

Oh. Sorry boss.

[blue lewj]

Re: Where do we go from here?

As soon as he won a couple of games I knew that was it. Such is our board. And people think Tan is a smart bloke.

A man who is smart does not employ Neil Harris followed by Mick McCarthy in a bid to entertain fans.

He is also one of the men in the transfer committee and signs off the players that we sign.

All roads lead to Tan.

The product served up on the pitch is a direct result of the players, the way they play, the way the manager wants them to play and the tactics outlined by the manager. All of which overseen by Choo and Dalman who are overseen and picked by Tan.

We may be stuck with him but if he wants any return on his investment then I am sorry but he is not going the right way about it.
Cutting our budget to next to nothing while employing managers with a woefully bad style is not the way to go sadly. I wait with baited breath for the 'but he funds this club out of his own pocket' lot.
He might not have to pay so much to keep us afloat if him and his cronies had a scooby what they were doing.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Re: Where do we go from here?

I tell you where we go from here

In an Ideal world Cardiff City would be a big club with people queuing round the block to get into the ground and others lining up to buy us

And a long list of managers dying to get a job

But we don't have any of the above so we have to stick with what we have and hope that the 9th place we are in becomes 6th

What other alternative do people think we have ?

[blue lewj]

Re: Where do we go from here?

What I would ask here is why he, Choo and Dalman are on the transfer committee if they believe they have been caught out by Mackay with the Cornelius deal among others? There have been many since this and for what it is worth I think there was a player in Cornelius, we just didn't see it.

If you don't know what you are assessing and managers can get bad signings past the committee then what is the point of a committee? Surely three man saying that the manager has made a bad signing is an admission in itself that they are naive and do not know what to look for in a good signing.

Or is it a case of good signing and they were hands on involved and take credit, bad signing throw the manager under the bus?

The owner and board seem to be very much playing at running a football club. Directionless guess work.