Ryan Wintle

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That's not what I'm suggesting, I mean having him play where Doyle does

Gives away the ball way to easily to do that role

[J R Hartley]

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I struggle to see the logic though behind Morison’s thinking that Eli King offers the first team at this stage of his career than Bowen, or Keenan Patten, does - that’s not to knock King either who has done very well this season.

Maybe it’s because he’s bigger and more physical?
I hope not as that points to the midfield going back down the Neil Warnock physicality over footballing ability route.

Personally, I think there’s more to it but only Morison can answer the question on why Bowen has been cut adrift from the first team after impressing before his injury. RJK keeps saying it’s because he was injured but he’s been back in training for almost as long as he was out injured and was fit enough to be on the bench at Anfield a few weeks ago.

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I don't think that Colwill can cover the ground that Doyle can. Colwill probably has that little bit more quality in the final third but he is nowhere near Doyle in terms of work rate and defensive duties. Doyle off the ball presses like a demon. Colwill is a big lad, covering ground isn't his game in my opinion. For colwill to prosper then he needs to be in that position where he is allowed to link up attack and follow his passes.

[J R Hartley]

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I don't think that Colwill can cover the ground that Doyle can. Colwill probably has that little bit more quality in the final third but he is nowhere near Doyle in terms of work rate and defensive duties. Doyle off the ball presses like a demon. Colwill is a big lad, covering ground isn't his game in my opinion. For colwill to prosper then he needs to be in that position where he is allowed to link up attack and follow his passes.

Colwill is a good finisher. I think he could become a good number 10 once he fully adapts to the speed of championship football as he does get caught in possession and speed of thought quite often but I’m sure that’s something that can be worked on and will come with experience.

[Rjk]

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I don't think that Colwill can cover the ground that Doyle can. Colwill probably has that little bit more quality in the final third but he is nowhere near Doyle in terms of work rate and defensive duties. Doyle off the ball presses like a demon. Colwill is a big lad, covering ground isn't his game in my opinion. For colwill to prosper then he needs to be in that position where he is allowed to link up attack and follow his passes.

more or less what Morison said about him recently.

he's very effective with the ball in attacking transitions, but needs to do more without the ball.
I don't think he's a central midfielder, bit that's not a problem, we can play with an attacking midfielder sometimes

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Colwill is a good finisher. I think he could become a good number 10 once he fully adapts to the speed of championship football as he does get caught in possession and speed of thought quite often but I’m sure that’s something that can be worked on and will come with experience.

Who was that player at Fulham who played in that 10 role, always seemed to look like he had acre's of time on the ball and was really good at setting up play, everything went through him. An Irish name?

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Tom cairney I'm talking about. What happened to him? That's how I see Colwill.

[Rjk]

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Tom cairney I'm talking about. What happened to him? That's how I see Colwill.

yes a quality player, I thought he played a little deeper and would be spraying passes out to orchestrate the attacks,

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yes a quality player, I thought he played a little deeper and would be spraying passes out to orchestrate the attacks,

You're probably right, I watched him a couple of times and he looked so composed. How he hasn't gone on to better things surprise's me, there must be some flaw to his game. Anyway, I see Colwill as that kind of player, although maybe more advanced. If his game matures and he becomes comfortable in his body, then we could have something on our hands. As it stands he doesn't know quite what his role is, and maybe he will never become a player that can do that extra work defensively.

[Hilts]

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I may be in a minority of 1 but I thought v Coventry Eli King looked like potentially a very good player and was far from out of his depth.

Guilty of too many over simple passes and backward passes but playing in a game where the opposition dominated possession , full home debut i thought it was a promising display.

Look forward to seeing more of him.

[J R Hartley]

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You're probably right, I watched him a couple of times and he looked so composed. How he hasn't gone on to better things surprise's me, there must be some flaw to his game. Anyway, I see Colwill as that kind of player, although maybe more advanced. If his game matures and he becomes comfortable in his body, then we could have something on our hands. As it stands he doesn't know quite what his role is, and maybe he will never become a player that can do that extra work defensively.

As RJK says he played a little deeper as he gets older. He’s had a few injuries I think but does seem to fall into that Whittingham category of too good for the Championship but not quite good enough to have an impact in the Prem. I think, like Whitts, technically sound, great passing range but he lacks that bit of speed and bite in his game.

[J R Hartley]

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I may be in a minority of 1 but I thought v Coventry Eli King looked like potentially a very good player and was far from out of his depth.

Guilty of too many over simple passes and backward passes but playing in a game where the opposition dominated possession , full home debut i thought it was a promising display.

Look forward to seeing more of him.

I don’t think anyone’s saying he’s out of his depth but he’s not a number 8 for me. He plays in the Wintle position for U23s. As you said it was all backwards and didnt really offer anything going forward when he had the ball. A lot was made of the Hugill fo Watters substitution but it was the Doyle for King substitution that changed that game. Doyle got us on the front foot. End of the day we were home to a Coventry we should be trying to impose our game on them not sit back and be so defensive as we were before Doyle replaced King.

Morrison talks about not putting square pegs in round holes but King at 8 / RHS of midfield was exactly that for me.

[the other bob wilson]

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Tom cairney I'm talking about. What happened to him? That's how I see Colwill.

He’s had an injury in recent years - if I remember rightly, he was coming back from one when he scored against us in October. He’s probably getting on a bit now as well, so he’s at a stage where attacking midfielders often start to play deeper.

Remember seeing him play for a Hull side that was stuffed by Everton as a teenager and thinking there’s a player - sure there were times we could have signed him quite cheaply if we had a more imaginative and three dimensional recruitment policy, but you could probably say that about a lot of good players around the twenty eight/thirty range - what age range is it that is generally thought to have let us down this season again?

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I don’t think anyone’s saying he’s out of his depth but he’s not a number 8 for me. He plays in the Wintle position for U23s. As you said it was all backwards and didnt really offer anything going forward when he had the ball. A lot was made of the Hugill fo Watters substitution but it was the Doyle for King substitution that changed that game. Doyle got us on the front foot. End of the day we were home to a Coventry we should be trying to impose our game on them not sit back and be so defensive as we were before Doyle replaced King.

Morrison talks about not putting square pegs in round holes but King at 8 / RHS of midfield was exactly that for me.

interesting about king playing in the same position as Wintle for the u23s.

that's clearly a Key role for us, and with Pack leaving soon we need to either sign some cover in the summer, or promote from within.
perhaps they're trying to give king plenty of game time now to see if we can avoid signing that player in the summer, allowing us to focus on other positions

[the other bob wilson]

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interesting about king playing in the same position as Wintle for the u23s.

that's clearly a Key role for us, and with Pack leaving soon we need to either sign some cover in the summer, or promote from within.
perhaps they're trying to give king plenty of game time now to see if we can avoid signing that player in the summer, allowing us to focus on other positions

Mick McCarthy tried to turn Bowen into a wing back, then an attacking midfielder, but, having watched him play for years at under 16, 18 and 23 levels, I thought we had a potential McPhail like, deep lying midfielder there. The thing is Steve Morison used Bowen in that deeper lying role last season and early this season and clearly isn’t convinced. I suppose the question is how many games would Steve McPhail have played for City if he’d been here for the past ten years, there’s been different priorities at the club during that time and it might be that King’s size is working in his favour - I’m convinced that’s what got Mick McCarthy interested in Colwill first of all.