Where's the magic gone and will it ever come back?

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Re: Where's the magic gone and will it ever come back?

Just come back from Benidorm where the universal attitude when Cardiff was mentioned was "you should be paid to watch it"

Never mind its better than the dungeon days.:facepalm:

Oh well if they're saying that in Benidorm that's the final nail for me

[surge]

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I asked in another thread but people chose not to answer. What have we changed in the academy for it to now be producing such a glut of players when for years it produced nothing?

Or is the truth closer to the board saying we have to use the kids because we are not giving you the money for new signings?

If people can work out that academies do not start churning out Championship level players time and again overnight but we're forced to use them anyway then what happens is a gradual fall down the league.
Our manager building up Bournemouth as if Real Madrid had rolled into town may be managing expectations in view of this.

People can believe what they like. Nothing wrong with positivity but blind positivity and not seeing things for what they are is something different. I know what I think is going on.

Academy:

i) Think I'm right in saying this is the group of kids that were very successful at youth level. Others will be able to answer better but didn't we have a youth side competing near the top of their table a few years ago (which we haven't always had) and now we're seeing them come through?

ii) Neil Harris was vocal about creating pathway for youth to first team, Steve Morrison has been a permanent fixture since, the style of play is reportedly now more similar creating and easier transition and 1.5 years later that greater interest in pathway is coming to fruition.

iii) We have a greater interest in youth because a) we need to because of cost cutting and b) it suits our overall vision for the club - younger and more skillful and, presumably, more sustainable without Tan constantly propping us up.

Bournemouth comments:

i) We've got the smallest squad in the division according to Transfer Markt, had played Sunday, Wednesday and Saturday, had at least three first team players out to injuries/covid/need to rest and were playing one of the three sides everyone expects to finish in the top two. Now of course being in that position isn't positive but moaning about an honest comment is boring - it's not unrealistic to identify that it was a tough challenge.

Nothing wrong with negativity but blind negativity and not seeing things for what they are is something different.

[Rjk]

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I asked in another thread but people chose not to answer. What have we changed in the academy for it to now be producing such a glut of players when for years it produced nothing?

Or is the truth closer to the board saying we have to use the kids because we are not giving you the money for new signings?

If people can work out that academies do not start churning out Championship level players time and again overnight but we're forced to use them anyway then what happens is a gradual fall down the league.
Our manager building up Bournemouth as if Real Madrid had rolled into town may be managing expectations in view of this.

People can believe what they like. Nothing wrong with positivity but blind positivity and not seeing things for what they are is something different. I know what I think is going on.

Academies rarely produce finished championship level players. Almost all of them need playing time at a good level in order to reach that level. We've thrown in a bunch of inexperienced players in the last 18 months or so and none of them have looked completely out of place. Will they all spend the majority of their career at this level or higher? no probably not - but a couple of them might.
If we hadn't started to introduce them into the team then probably none of them would ever make it at this level.

There are probably young players in previous academy groups that could have made it but never had the opportunity.
Other clubs in this division have had a pathway to the first team for years, we are just putting in place what should always have been there.

Now we can attract good players to the academy, and the intensity in academy games is probably higher as thy know if they perform well there's a chance they'll get into the first team.

Yes we have almost certainly done this out of necessity rather than lofty ambitions, but it is a good thing to be doing so lets see where it goes .

[lardy]

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Oh well if they're saying that in Benidorm that's the final nail for me

I think most clubs do their market research in benidorm. That's the best way to get a finger on the pulse.

[JamesWales]

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It does feel a little like we are seeing the fruits of years of football corporatism, fans being disregarded and taken for granted, coupled now with a totally disingenuous PR movement within football that doesnt relate or consider fans much, and just leads a bitter taste in the mouth.

I felt it at the Barnsley game; huge queues, my kid being unable to buy a programme with coins, naff atmosphere, all of it. Even not having a paper ticket - i wanted one for me and my kids for the first game after Covid. City means more than going to Primark or Burger King, but we are just treated like someone with an app attached to us. It's hard to put into words, but there is very little soul, although I'm sure thats an age thing too.

After covid, the wages players earn just seem obscene and genuinely offensive in a way they never were before too. Don't get me wrong, footballers deserve to be paid handsomely and I'd rather they pay tax in the UK than in Spain etc, but Ł500,000 a week? Even shite City players on Ł20,000 a week. Seriously, piss off.

[Rjk]

Re: Where's the magic gone and will it ever come back?

It does feel a little like we are seeing the fruits of years of football corporatism, fans being disregarded and taken for granted, coupled now with a totally disingenuous PR movement within football that doesnt relate or consider fans much, and just leads a bitter taste in the mouth.

I felt it at the Barnsley game; huge queues, my kid being unable to buy a programme with coins, naff atmosphere, all of it. Even not having a paper ticket - i wanted one for me and my kids for the first game after Covid. City means more than going to Primark or Burger King, but we are just treated like someone with an app attached to us. It's hard to put into words, but there is very little soul, although I'm sure thats an age thing too.

After covid, the wages players earn just seem obscene and genuinely offensive in a way they never were before too. Don't get me wrong, footballers deserve to be paid handsomely and I'd rather they pay tax in the UK than in Spain etc, but Ł500,000 a week? Even shite City players on Ł20,000 a week. Seriously, piss off.

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[blue lewj]

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Thing is those dismissing these posts as just moaning is the exact reason fans walk away from the game.

A decent club sees the increasing moans and tries to address them.
Your club who is not in touch with the fans, like City are currently, carries on and alienates people more and more.

If your customers are unhappy with the product (leaving the football out of it for a second) then you listen or pay the price of not doing so.

[Hilts]

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Oh well if they're saying that in Benidorm that's the final nail for me

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[JamesWales]

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tbf, I acknowledged it may be an age thing. My little kids think it's magic.

Nonetheless, if the club just treat me as a customer., as someone that comes with a phone and an app, and I feel exploited then I won't go. Or i wont go as much.

The irony is, not only are we treated like customers, but in many cases we are treated worse than almost any other customer experience.

Asda's cafe provides meals for Ł1 for the kids. Cardiff ring as much out of a pint as they can.

[IanD]

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The glimmer of hope for better days came towards the end on the Bournemouth match when Bagan and Colwill's interplay showed that we can string a few passes together and pose a threat. This season was always going to be one of transition as younger players are grafted onto an older team. That doesn't excuse poor customer service and "hoof it to Kieffer" one track approach to the way we play. Right now, it's a case of going through the motions to attend matches. No excitement leads to lack of motivation. For the first time in a long time, there were empty seats by us in the Canton 104. Seats that are always occupied. And that does not bode well. Lack of communicated ambition (if there is any) and direction, from the club management, adds to the "why bother going" feeling. That said, Blackburn awaits. Some of us are daft enough to turn up come what may.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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Cardiff City have ALWAYS been crap at engaging with the fans , it's appalling and I can't see that changing

The move to the new ground hasn't improved things

However our fans have also MOANED for Wales since I have watched them

The team is crap , they moan , they moan , the team is still crap

It's our club and we all love ccfc in our own ways but it's always struggled for support , it's always been financially on the ropes and when we did have chops , boothroyd etc playing good football we were spending money we didn't have to keep them here , on huge wages

I think we are cursed myself

However our fans moan about the club even when we are winning !

It's highly amusing sometimes

From the joy of seeing all those city fans going mad with the young players at forest ........to suicidal despair a week later

This is Cardiff City

[Divine Wright]

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We are proper rubbish, really bad.
Absolutely Fcking terrible in fact...but the amount of Knicker Wetting is worse than the Football.

Our fans have become a bunch of “Waitrose types”
Right bunch of fcking herberts!!!

Not sure "Knicker Wetting" is an acceptable term in the 21st century.

I don't think people are talking solely about the football. More the whole game day product package.

i don't know why the board don't paint some fake piss marks down the cladding or recreate a plastic version of The Corp or something....authentic old school matchday experience.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Re: Where's the magic gone and will it ever come back?

We are proper rubbish, really bad.
Absolutely Fcking terrible in fact...but the amount of Knicker Wetting is worse than the Football.

Our fans have become a bunch of “Waitrose types”
Right bunch of fcking herberts!!!

Bloody girls blouses

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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Not sure "Knicker Wetting" is an acceptable term in the 21st century.

I don't think people are talking solely about the football. More the whole game day product package.

i don't know why the board don't paint some fake piss marks down the cladding or recreate a plastic version of The Corp or something....authentic old school matchday experience.

Yapping police dogs and horses chasing hundreds of Cardiff fans down sloper road as about 80 away fans were kept behind

[blue lewj]

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Bloody girls blouses

I think the stand for any old $hit and pretend everything is OK brigade are the big girls blouses if I'm honest but each to their own.

After all we used to be crap....