Where's the magic gone and will it ever come back?

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Re: Where's the magic gone and will it ever come back?

I think the stand for any old $hit and pretend everything is OK brigade are the big girls blouses if I'm honest but each to their own.

After all we used to be crap....

Grow a pair of bollocks

Derby County and Forest are on their arses

They are bigger clubs than us

We are 9th and a couple of wins from the play offs

The fact is this

A lot of people have been wanting MM to fail even before he managed a game for us and now they can say see , told you so

I think it's infantile and the man needs to be given a chance

If anyone thinks this football club could deal with relegation .....and regroup with a new footballing ethos .......they need a good psychiatrist

[Divine Wright]

Re: Where's the magic gone and will it ever come back?

Cardiff City have ALWAYS been crap at engaging with the fans , it's appalling and I can't see that changing

The move to the new ground hasn't improved things

However our fans have also MOANED for Wales since I have watched them

The team is crap , they moan , they moan , the team is still crap

It's our club and we all love ccfc in our own ways but it's always struggled for support , it's always been financially on the ropes and when we did have chops , boothroyd etc playing good football we were spending money we didn't have to keep them here , on huge wages

I think we are cursed myself

However our fans moan about the club even when we are winning !

It's highly amusing sometimes

From the joy of seeing all those city fans going mad with the young players at forest ........to suicidal despair a week later

This is Cardiff City

I think difference between what your talking about and what the OP is talking about though is the difference between "giving stick" and being disenchanted.

I think that is in part due to a "flatpack" generic stadium ; However shit and unfit for modern football NP was , I think we can ALL agree it had bags more life and character to it than the CCS. I think that is a given.

On top of that, the people who run the club have no real desire to understand its' history or its' supporters. They only want to sell their brand and become successful business people.

The football being shit is by the by.

[blue lewj]

Re: Where's the magic gone and will it ever come back?

Grow a pair of bollocks

Derby County and Forest are on their arses

They are bigger clubs than us

We are 9th and a couple of wins from the play offs

The fact is this

A lot of people have been wanting MM to fail even before he managed a game for us and now they can say see , told you so

I think it's infantile and the man needs to be given a chance

If anyone thinks this football club could deal with relegation .....and regroup with a new footballing ethos .......they need a good psychiatrist

Why don't you grow a pair of bollocks and stop pointing to the basket cases of the footballing world. Forest and Derby are on their arses. Some football clubs are actually in decent shape. You always give examples of the crap end of football.

You think it's infantile. I think it is idiotic to think this board and manager is going to achieve anything.

Happy clappers like you watching $hite football and telling us it is OK and it could be worse are the same big girls blouses that will see the relegation that you speak of.

The tune will change then though. Be something along the lines of 'We're in League One. We used to be the old fourth division. You don't know you're born'.

Why don't you grow a set of bollocks and take your rose tinted specs off while you're at it.

[dembethewarrior]

Re: Where's the magic gone and will it ever come back?

Why don't you grow a pair of bollocks and stop pointing to the basket cases of the footballing world. Forest and Derby are on their arses. Some football clubs are actually in decent shape. You always give examples of the crap end of football.

You think it's infantile. I think it is idiotic to think this board and manager is going to achieve anything.

Happy clappers like you watching $hite football and telling us it is OK and it could be worse are the same big girls blouses that will see the relegation that you speak of.

The tune will change then though. Be something along the lines of 'We're in League One. We used to be the old fourth division. You don't know you're born'.

Why don't you grow a set of bollocks and take your rose tinted specs off while you're at it.

And

[blue lewj]

Re: Where's the magic gone and will it ever come back?

We'll end up in League 1 a lot quicker with happy clappers like Sludge excusing the crap football and the decision makers at this club than with people who are actually concerned about things that aren't right at the club.

[Divine Wright]

Re: Where's the magic gone and will it ever come back?

.......Thing is. The ground is what it is and NP is going to be reconstructed. So ye, there is no point worrying.

Positives about the CCS..... Wales fans seem to love it. and it's also expandable so when we are a mega club, the modification might give it a bit more personality.

Regarding the people who run the club. We would need a local person with a connection to the club to buy Tan out and then try to foster a real sense of community ..... maybe some standing areas. No stupid marketing or hashtags. Good beer and food for a decent price. A commitment to academy players and young managers with an idea of modern football.

I think if all of the above happened then you would begin to feel "the magic" again.

[Rjk]

Re: Where's the magic gone and will it ever come back?

We'll end up in League 1 a lot quicker with happy clappers like Sludge excusing the crap football and the decision makers at this club than with people who are actually concerned about things that aren't right at the club.

I don't think we will have any influence one way or another

[blue lewj]

Re: Where's the magic gone and will it ever come back?

I don't think we will have any influence one way or another

Probably not.

I'm not sure why people who aren't happy with it are told to grow a set of bollocks at every turn though.

Only bollocks I can see at the current time is what is being served up on the pitch.

[Rjk]

Re: Where's the magic gone and will it ever come back?

Probably not.

I'm not sure why people who aren't happy with it are told to grow a set of bollocks at every turn though.

Only bollocks I can see at the current time is what is being served up on the pitch.

we've lost half of our income this season, and still have some hefty wages to pay. we had an ageing squad who weren't performing and no funds to refresh it.
the only sensible way forward was to bring kids through and reset In a couple of seasons.
the club is actually making what seem like sensible decisions at the moment, it just requires a bit of patience from the fans. we won't be challenging at the top ,and the kids won't be as consistent as a seasoned pro, but as long as we are on the right track then it's ok.

the time to start whinging was when these problems were being built up. the 4 year contract for bacuna, offering Bamba another year when he was out with injury and 34. not playing a single player under the age of 21 for multiple seasons etc etc

[the other bob wilson]

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When you say ‘turned by now’, do you mean voting with their feet?
For as long as i can remember, i’ve never been more that 6ft away from a City fan at a game that isn’t fecking moaning about some aspect of the performance, even when we’re winning.
Maybe the standard of players has dropped off?
Last seasons championship was of a woeful standard. Norwich pissed it, but haven't won a game back in the top flight.
Far to many bang average players are getting top dollar now, and are’t worth it.
Too many negative and limited managers in the game as well.
It’s a minefield getting the balance right.
When i was a kid, West Ham played some of the most attractive football in the too flight, but got nowhere near winning it.
Kevin Keegan's Newcastle played some scintillating stuff, and got with in a whisker, but still won the middle of a doughnut.
Plenty of City fans didn’t give a hoot that we we’re boring under MM the season we went up.
Plenty of City fans moaned like **** the season we lost to Blackpool in the play off final although we played some great stuff that season.
Is there an answer to this conundrum?

I was thinking more in terms of fans turning on the club and team, but I'm sure people will start voting with their feet as you put it - I daresay there's a few who have already.

I don't know how old she is, but Blueblade's question asked when watching the Under 23s of "why doesn't the first team play like this?" gets right to the heart of the matter. For a few seasons now, there has been a healthy number of under ten year olds at home games, but I wonder how many of those from, say, five years ago, are still going now? Once the novelty wears off and they get old enough to begin to understand more about the game, I can't help thinking that an awful lot of them look at our team, with many of them struggling to give and receive simple passes and think this isn't for me.

As I mentioned earlier, unless you're a Wimbledon winning major trophies and frequently tweaking the noses of the big teams, a team playing in the way we do will struggle, first, to attract new fans and then to keep them.

[wberksblue]

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I just think Tan has given up on the club. This isn't about building a long term future for the club, it's about cost cutting. Somewhat understandable given that the club is embroiled in costly court cases, but the board isn't being transparent at all. The only reason McCarthy is in charge is because the club wants to make sure it remains in the Championship while the cost cutting ensues.

I don't know why anyone would be content with the way we set up and performed against Bournemouth. They're a club who came down the season after us, the only difference is they invested their parachute payments when they came down, while we pocketed ours. The summer after we came down we made a profit from the transfer window. The real difference between the sides is the long-term, forward thinking both in the boardroom and the dugout. We've had bad window after bad window.

This summer, we sold or released 6 first team players, and loaned out 3, while also signing and immediately loaning out Wintle to a Championship rival. In their place, we brought in 3 first teamers. Any player who McCarthy didn't see playing or coming off the bench every game has been let go of.

Now I'm not saying that Cardiff are in crisis, or we have it as bad as the likes of Derby etc. We're clearly not even close to that. The club is stable and that's very important. But as fans who invest hundreds, or thousands of pounds in my case each season supporting the side, we deserve more honesty from the club as to why the squad has been decimated, and no money has been invested.

Is this a temporary measure? What is the long term plan for the club? Are these young players really all ready, or are they just being used to fill gaps while costs are being cut?

[Rjk]

Re: Where's the magic gone and will it ever come back?

I just think Tan has given up on the club. This isn't about building a long term future for the club, it's about cost cutting. Somewhat understandable given that the club is embroiled in costly court cases, but the board isn't being transparent at all. The only reason McCarthy is in charge is because the club wants to make sure it remains in the Championship while the cost cutting ensues.

I don't know why anyone would be content with the way we set up and performed against Bournemouth. They're a club who came down the season after us, the only difference is they invested their parachute payments when they came down, while we pocketed ours. The summer after we came down we made a profit from the transfer window. The real difference between the sides is the long-term, forward thinking both in the boardroom and the dugout. We've had bad window after bad window.

This summer, we sold or released 6 first team players, and loaned out 3, while also signing and immediately loaning out Wintle to a Championship rival. In their place, we brought in 3 first teamers. Any player who McCarthy didn't see playing or coming off the bench every game has been let go of.

Now I'm not saying that Cardiff are in crisis, or we have it as bad as the likes of Derby etc. We're clearly not even close to that. The club is stable and that's very important. But as fans who invest hundreds, or thousands of pounds in my case each season supporting the side, we deserve more honesty from the club as to why the squad has been decimated, and no money has been invested.

Is this a temporary measure? What is the long term plan for the club? Are these young players really all ready, or are they just being used to fill gaps while costs are being cut?

we are not the same as Bournemouth. they have a far better squad than us. they invested their premier League money much better and they STILL have parachute payments because they didn't go straight back down.
if they mess promotion up again in his season then they will have to face some difficult decisions as we have been.
they have better more sellable players though so they may have more options than we do..

[Taffy Blue in Berkshire]

Re: Where's the magic gone and will it ever come back?

.......Thing is. The ground is what it is and NP is going to be reconstructed. So ye, there is no point worrying.

Positives about the CCS..... Wales fans seem to love it. and it's also expandable so when we are a mega club, the modification might give it a bit more personality.

Regarding the people who run the club. We would need a local person with a connection to the club to buy Tan out and then try to foster a real sense of community ..... maybe some standing areas. No stupid marketing or hashtags. Good beer and food for a decent price. A commitment to academy players and young managers with an idea of modern football.

I think if all of the above happened then you would begin to feel "the magic" again.

I think you've got it with the points you raise. Imagine someone like Leggy or Kav as manager. I think it's great seeing the youngsters coming through from the academy and that really brings a sense of meaning and belonging. He might be a bit bonkers but Bellamy also brought some passion. Right now it still feels like we are Tan's plaything which he's got bored with. OK NP is long gone and is history but it would be nice to aspire to bringing some 'sense of community' to things as you suggest.

[Feedback]

Re: Where's the magic gone and will it ever come back?

turning up on the day with your mates and standing/sitting together is a thing of the past, and has made the game less appealing. i also think growing up takes the shine off the club. when you're young, they are your heroes, as you grow older, the starlet in you disappears.

[Feedback]

Re: Where's the magic gone and will it ever come back?

When you say ‘turned by now’, do you mean voting with their feet?
For as long as i can remember, i’ve never been more that 6ft away from a City fan at a game that isn’t fecking moaning about some aspect of the performance, even when we’re winning.
Maybe the standard of players has dropped off?
Last seasons championship was of a woeful standard. Norwich pissed it, but haven't won a game back in the top flight.
Far to many bang average players are getting top dollar now, and are’t worth it.
Too many negative and limited managers in the game as well.
It’s a minefield getting the balance right.
When i was a kid, West Ham played some of the most attractive football in the too flight, but got nowhere near winning it.
Kevin Keegan's Newcastle played some scintillating stuff, and got with in a whisker, but still won the middle of a doughnut.
Plenty of City fans didn’t give a hoot that we we’re boring under MM the season we went up.
Plenty of City fans moaned like **** the season we lost to Blackpool in the play off final although we played some great stuff that season.
Is there an answer to this conundrum?

Tony Cottee, Frank McAvenee (sp)

The Hammers were a top side.