HGV Driver Shortages

[The Bloop]

Re: HGV Driver Shortages

Laughable. Most, if not all of that, is complete tripe.

It's complete conjecture from you. What expertise are you drawing upon to spout such utter rubbish?

It sounds like it's been lifted from a speech made at a young conservatives branch meeting.

[JamesWales]

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It sounds like it's been lifted from a speech made at a young conservatives branch meeting.

Challenge specific bits then. The EU generally has higher unemployment and lower growth than comparable countries outside, so while the laissez faire single market model does have some benefits, it clearly has costs too.

Explain why you think I am wrong - cite the advanced nations outside the EU that are struggling so. Which are they? Norway? Australia? Canada? South Korea? Where? Where are these economic disaster nations?

Where is your evidence that prolonged membership of the EU for advanced western nations (as we are) is better long term than those outside? I'm afraid the evidence doesnt really exist.

[az city]

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They are predictions about the future, completely unprovable either way, until say 2024, 2025. but that is what I think will happen based on my knowledge of current affairs and economics.

What evidence do you have that advanced western nations such as the US, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Switzerland, Iceland, Norway, Japan etc do worse economically than Italy, Germany, Belgium, Spain, Sweden, France etc? The evidence doesn't exist.

So, to summarize:

1. it's complete conjecture on your part;
2. you have absolutely zero expertise in the area.

Utter BS from you.

[Eric the Half a Bee]

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Ultimately we have left a club that contains Germany, France, Spain, Italy et al and joined one that contains South Korea, Japan, USA, Canada, New Zealand, Switzerland et al.

What club do they all belong to? I wasn't aware that those countries have formed an alliance similar to the EU.

[az city]

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Challenge specific bits then. The EU generally has higher unemployment and lower growth than comparable countries outside, so while the laissez faire single market model does have some benefits, it clearly has costs too.

Explain why you think I am wrong - cite the advanced nations outside the EU that are struggling so. Which are they? Norway? Australia? Canada? South Korea? Where? Where are these economic disaster nations?

Where is your evidence that prolonged membership of the EU for advanced western nations (as we are) is better long term than those outside? I'm afraid the evidence doesnt really exist.

What are you asking for? Your statements/conjectures are so vague that it's difficult to tell.

[JamesWales]

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So, to summarize:

1. it's complete conjecture on your part;
2. you have absolutely zero expertise in the area.

Utter BS from you.

I have an MSc in an economics related topic.

Tell me where I am wrong.

[az city]

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I have an MSc in an economics related topic.

Tell me where I am wrong.

What's an "Economics-related topic"? And from where? I smell more BS.

[JamesWales]

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What are you asking for? Your statements/conjectures are so vague that it's difficult to tell.

You basically come on and insult me and offer nothing in return.

I made predictions, by definition, they cannot be proved right or wrong by anyone, but tell me where they are so radically incorrect or why you are so confident they won't happen that you will come on and insult people who suggest them.

I'm happy to take the time to expand upon the reasoning

Come on.

[ninian opinian]

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In the coming years, I would anticipate:
Rising wages
Greater housing affordability
Greater infiltration and engagement with faster growing global economies
GDP to rise slightly faster than typical in the previous years
Lower unemployment than in the last 10-20 years
Greater emphasis on manufacturing
A more dynamic R&D sector
Greater investment in public services.
A more interventionist form of economic management
A more dynamic, agile and faster moving govt
Greater investments in workplace training, apprenticeships etc

Ultimately we have left a club that contains Germany, France, Spain, Italy et al and joined one that contains South Korea, Japan, USA, Canada, New Zealand, Switzerland et al.

In or out of the EU will make far less positive or negative impact than people think, as the foundations of a strong economy are rooted in other issues, but on balance I think Britain will do better and I do think society and the economy will be fairer and more balanced.

[az city]

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You basically come on and insult me and offer nothing in return.

I made predictions, by definition, they cannot be proved right or wrong by anyone, but tell me where they are so radically incorrect or why you are so confident they won't happen that you will come on and insult people who suggest them.

I'm happy to take the time to expand upon the reasoning

Come on.

I haven't insulted you at all. I posted that you were spouting BS. All I know about you is that you have an MSc in an "Economics-related subject". I didn't disparage you as a person I took aim at your views thus I have not insulted YOU.

'Fess up what's the "Economics-related subject" and what august institution granted you the degree?

[JamesWales]

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Another one. But no sunstantive response.

The reality is advanced nations outside the EU have generally higher growth, generally lower unemployment, are free to create bilateral trade deals with faster growing developing countries, are free to intervene in their economies and offer state support more, will be less reliant on free movement of labour and thus more likely to train up apprenticeships etc.

Compare equivalent countries inside and outside the EU, and I'm sorry, it doesnt paint a picture that says membership of the EU is necessary for economic success at all.

[JamesWales]

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I haven't insulted you at all. I posted that you were spouting BS. All I know about you is that you have an MSc in an "Economics-related subject". I didn't disparage you as a person I took aim at your views thus I have not insulted YOU.

'Fess up what's the "Economics-related subject" and what august institution granted you the degree?

Yes you did, you said I was talking BS. But if that were the case, you would have offered a counter to it in the last 3-4 posts you've made, and you havent.

I've PM'd you, now if my post was such 'BS' then counter my predictions.

[Taunton Blue Genie]

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What's an "Economics-related topic"? And from where? I smell more BS.

Why not debate the matter in a mature way?

[valleys caveman]

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Few reasons for the shortages in my humble opinion.

The last eighteen months we've had the old boys retire and the young ones not being able to train or take their test.
£2000 for training and test.
Poor wages.
Working up to 15 hours a day, then spending the rest of the day in the same cab. Eat, sleep, repeat all week.
CPC course. Five days in a classroom listening to someone tell me how to do the job that I've been doing before he was born. Five days holiday taken and £250 of my own money for said course. Nice.

Any other HGV drivers on here?

[the other bob wilson]

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In the coming years, I would anticipate:
Rising wages
Greater housing affordability
Greater infiltration and engagement with faster growing global economies
GDP to rise slightly faster than typical in the previous years
Lower unemployment than in the last 10-20 years
Greater emphasis on manufacturing
A more dynamic R&D sector
Greater investment in public services.
A more interventionist form of economic management
A more dynamic, agile and faster moving govt
Greater investments in workplace training, apprenticeships etc

Ultimately we have left a club that contains Germany, France, Spain, Italy et al and joined one that contains South Korea, Japan, USA, Canada, New Zealand, Switzerland et al.

In or out of the EU will make far less positive or negative impact than people think, as the foundations of a strong economy are rooted in other issues, but on balance I think Britain will do better and I do think society and the economy will be fairer and more balanced.

You’re asking people to point out what they think is wrong about the above, my reply would be the bit that starts with “In the coming years I would anticipate” and ends with “the economy will be fairer and more balanced” - sorry, I couldn’t resist that.

I’m old enough to remember what life used to be like before we joined the Common Market as it was called then. I was too young really to have much coherent political knowledge, but I can remember thinking that it didn’t seem too different in the Common Market from what life was like out of it. Because of this, I was less bothered about the Referendum than most and figured the outcome wouldn’t make a great deal on difference either way. I’m less sure of that now andI must say that I can’t remember a time when so many of the important goods, services and items we’re very reliant on have faced problems like the ones we’ve seen in the last month or so - it would seem a huge coincidence for none of it at all to be Brexit related.

As for your views, your attitude looks to be one of “prove my guesses are wrong with facts” - that seems a bit unfair to me towards people who, like you, are making guesses. Brexit arouses so many strong emotions and I bet the huge majority of people are still just favouring the side they voted for - we’re all just guessing though.