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  • #61
    Re: HGV Driver Shortages

    Originally posted by JamesWales View Post
    A more dynamic, agile and faster moving govt

    This means absolutely nothing, total PR guff

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    • #62
      Re: HGV Driver Shortages

      Originally posted by JamesWales View Post
      Challenge specific bits then. The EU generally has higher unemployment and lower growth than comparable countries outside, so while the laissez faire single market model does have some benefits, it clearly has costs too.

      Explain why you think I am wrong - cite the advanced nations outside the EU that are struggling so. Which are they? Norway? Australia? Canada? South Korea? Where? Where are these economic disaster nations?

      Where is your evidence that prolonged membership of the EU for advanced western nations (as we are) is better long term than those outside? I'm afraid the evidence doesnt really exist.
      I'm intrigued by the claims of more affordable housing? House prices are rising faster than wages so what will make housing more affordable?
      'Rising wages' as you anticipate means nothing on it's own, and that happens year on year anyway.

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      • #63
        Re: HGV Driver Shortages

        Originally posted by The Bloop View Post
        I'm intrigued by the claims of more affordable housing? House prices are rising faster than wages so what will make housing more affordable?
        'Rising wages' as you anticipate means nothing on it's own, and that happens year on year anyway.
        Wouldn't rising wages lead to higher inflation and cut even further adrift those at the bottom?

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        • #64
          Re: HGV Driver Shortages

          Some greedy companies have been using cheap agencies now the workers who were happy working for pittance have finished they are stumped and struggling..

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          • #65
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            Originally posted by Tuerto View Post
            I don't know how you have come to that conclusion, I was simply giving my opinion on why some people in the poorest areas voted to leave. I think that you're trying to be too clever. Incidentally, wealth has never dripped down to me.
            Well the poor of Eastern Europe came here to better their lives and I'm OK with that.

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            • #66
              Re: HGV Driver Shortages

              Originally posted by the other bob wilson View Post
              I wasn’t having a go, just interested in knowing.
              OK, sorry, my misunderstanding.

              My point was that some people are all for wealth redistribution until they realise they are in fact those who are better off, and that redistribution will be to those worse off than them.

              If you earn about Ł20k per annum you're in the top 1% of earners worldwide

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              • #67
                Re: HGV Driver Shortages

                Originally posted by az city View Post
                Laughable. Most, if not all of that, is complete tripe.

                It's complete conjecture from you. What expertise are you drawing upon to spout such utter rubbish?
                It belongs in "printers that just work and other fairy stories"

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                • #68
                  Re: HGV Driver Shortages

                  Originally posted by JamesWales View Post
                  They are predictions about the future, completely unprovable either way, until say 2024, 2025. but that is what I think will happen based on my knowledge of current affairs and economics.

                  What evidence do you have that advanced western nations such as the US, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Switzerland, Iceland, Norway, Japan etc do worse economically than Italy, Germany, Belgium, Spain, Sweden, France etc? The evidence doesn't exist.
                  They don't, but they are not on our border facilitating easy trade.

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                  • #69
                    Re: HGV Driver Shortages

                    Originally posted by JamesWales View Post
                    I have an MSc in an economics related topic.

                    Tell me where I am wrong.
                    You have a degree in a pseudo science and the school of thought you follow often depends on your politics.

                    It's at best an art form.

                    Saying you have an MSC doesn't give you the credence you think it does.

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                    • #70
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                      Originally posted by Feedback View Post
                      OK, sorry, my misunderstanding.

                      My point was that some people are all for wealth redistribution until they realise they are in fact those who are better off, and that redistribution will be to those worse off than them.

                      If you earn about Ł20k per annum you're in the top 1% of earners worldwide
                      I find this interesting and I wonder how we've got to this point as it hasn't been this way through history.

                      The mega wealthy have found a way of convincing those modest earners of around 20k that those at the bottom of the ladder are the problem. When I look at the history of how Wales grew in the late 1800s it is apparent how so many rallied around the low paid miners and others. Things were done for the greater good in the community.

                      Somehow we've managed to victimise those at the bottom of the ladder. Plenty would rather give them a harsh lesson than help. Our forefathers would be appalled.

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                      • #71
                        Re: HGV Driver Shortages

                        Originally posted by Feedback View Post
                        Well the poor of Eastern Europe came here to better their lives and I'm OK with that.
                        Absolutely. Imagine how awesome a borderless planet would be.

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                        • #72
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                          Originally posted by az city View Post
                          Absolutely. Imagine how awesome a borderless planet would be.
                          Like it used to be with survival of the fittest I would think.

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                          • #73
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                            Originally posted by Wash DC Blue View Post
                            Like it used to be with survival of the fittest I would think.
                            That crumbled in 1989, along with the wall

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                            • #74
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                              Originally posted by Eric the Half a Bee View Post
                              I find this interesting and I wonder how we've got to this point as it hasn't been this way through history.

                              The mega wealthy have found a way of convincing those modest earners of around 20k that those at the bottom of the ladder are the problem. When I look at the history of how Wales grew in the late 1800s it is apparent how so many rallied around the low paid miners and others. Things were done for the greater good in the community.

                              Somehow we've managed to victimise those at the bottom of the ladder. Plenty would rather give them a harsh lesson than help. Our forefathers would be appalled.


                              Nowhere near as effective mass media in those days Eric.

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                              • #75
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                                Well done the government and hurrah for Boris who have quickly come up with an answer to the problem.

                                Ministers move to bring in overseas workers as disrupted fuel deliveries lead to queues at petrol stations.


                                Good to see they’re sticking to their principles.

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