Harris (a wee rant, sorry)

[AfricanBluebird]

While we have all witnessed some absolutely awful managers I can't remember ever having a manager as cowardly as Harris.

He is odious and a coward.

Reading his interview after the Forest defeat was embarrassing.

Blaming a player, who is no longer with us, for conceding two goals against Wycombe is a cowardly act. The Wycombe game was last week and he should have been concentrating on the defeat against Forest this weekend. It's pathetic blaming a player who he doesn't have to look in the eye today at training. Leicester won't be loaning us players anytime soon, so there will be longer term ramifications of not using a loan signing and slagging him off the moment he leaves the club.

Also, nearly all of his comments and excused about the games we lose is about 'conceding a soft goal'. He rarely blames his teams inability to keep the ball, pass the ball, the poor tactics, the poor substitutions, lack of energy, lack of pace etc... why? because all of those things reflect HIS management style and approach... and it is easier for him to blame individual mistakes as it shifts responsibility away from his own failures and onto individuals.

I know people have pointed out the lack of managerial options out there to replace him, but surely there is a less cowardly manager available.

[Former Labour leader]

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While we have all witnessed some absolutely awful managers I can't remember ever having a manager as cowardly as Harris.

He is odious and a coward.

Reading his interview after the Forest defeat was embarrassing.

Blaming a player, who is no longer with us, for conceding two goals against Wycombe is a cowardly act. The Wycombe game was last week and he should have been concentrating on the defeat against Forest this weekend. It's pathetic blaming a player who he doesn't have to look in the eye today at training. Leicester won't be loaning us players anytime soon, so there will be longer term ramifications of not using a loan signing and slagging him off the moment he leaves the club.

Also, nearly all of his comments and excused about the games we lose is about 'conceding a soft goal'. He rarely blames his teams inability to keep the ball, pass the ball, the poor tactics, the poor substitutions, lack of energy, lack of pace etc... why? because all of those things reflect HIS management style and approach... and it is easier for him to blame individual mistakes as it shifts responsibility away from his own failures and onto individuals.

I know people have pointed out the lack of managerial options out there to replace him, but surely there is a less cowardly manager available.

I think I agree with much of what you say. The final straw for me was the calling out of an individual player.
Harris is under pressure and may be close to losing the dressing room.

[Tuerto]

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He blames his players. not once have i heard him say that he's the one that got it wrong. He's a footballing management equivalent of a snitch. 'Wasn't me boss'

[mbatte]

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He blames his players. not once have i heard him say that he's the one that got it wrong. He's a footballing management equivalent of a snitch. 'Wasn't me boss'

He needs to go.

[AfricanBluebird]

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I think I agree with much of what you say. The final straw for me was the calling out of an individual player.
Harris is under pressure and may be close to losing the dressing room.

Yeah I agree. The dressing room cannot be a happy place knowing that some players get away with consistently poor performances and never seem to get dropped, while others know that a single mistake they make will provoke the manager to single you out in a post match interview.

Maybe it's just me but I always dislike managers who pick on individual players and blame them for defeats publicly.

If a player makes an obvious mistake that leads to a goal I think it's fine to say "yeah he made a mistake".. but to constantly blame them for defeats is really unacceptable.

[the other bob wilson]

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Just out of interest, when a Play Off team ends up having the sort of season we are after not losing too many of the previous seasons players, what sort of proportion of the blame should be directed at the players, because it seems to me that ours are getting off virtually Scot free.

[Tuerto]

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Bacuna doesn't look like he's trying. Trotting back into position, not getting tight enough and allowing the cross, zero urgency bravery to put himself in a position where he might get done, he doesn't want to know, look how easily players go past him. I know that he's not very good, but he's getting off lightly in my opinion with fans saying that he's not a right back. He may well not be, that doesn't stop him showing some commitment to the cause, he's even stopped kicking players. Looks to me like he's downed tools a bit.

Looking at the body language, the demeanour of the players, the lack of urgency and belief, the feeling that after 10 minutes the whole team has run out of ideas, tells me that something ain't right.

[Hilts]

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Yeah I agree. The dressing room cannot be a happy place knowing that some players get away with consistently poor performances and never seem to get dropped, while others know that a single mistake they make will provoke the manager to single you out in a post match interview.

Maybe it's just me but I always dislike managers who pick on individual players and blame them for defeats publicly.

If a player makes an obvious mistake that leads to a goal I think it's fine to say "yeah he made a mistake".. but to constantly blame them for defeats is really unacceptable.

Adam Matthews and Dave Jones comes to mind.

Benkovic is gone though and he did feck up.

[Tuerto]

Re: Harris (a wee rant, sorry)

Just out of interest, when a Play Off team ends up having the sort of season we are after not losing too many of the previous seasons players, what sort of proportion of the blame should be directed at the players, because it seems to me that ours are getting off virtually Scot free.

Some of them don't want to know in my opinion. Something doesn't seem right, an Harris's speech at press conferences is getting a bit concerning.

[Hilts]

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Just out of interest, when a Play Off team ends up having the sort of season we are after not losing too many of the previous seasons players, what sort of proportion of the blame should be directed at the players, because it seems to me that ours are getting off virtually Scot free.

I think its clear how important Tomlin was for us.

Having him in the team also helped the likes of Ralls and Bacuna.

[Tuerto]

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Adam Matthews and Dave Jones comes to mind.

Benkovic is gone though and he did feck up.

Yup, although we didn't lose that game just because of Benkovic, there was alack of quality and urgency throughout the team and the performance was awful. Wycombe matched us in every department and that's being kind to us.

[AfricanBluebird]

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Some players are getting off scot free for sure and I don't know why they are constantly being picked. If a player isn't performing well / making more than their fair share of mistakes, then deal with it internally, not blame them publicly for entire losses.

However, when the whole team is underperforming it is indicative that there are wider problems, rather than just individual players out of form.

I think the play off run, despite not being particularly attractive footballing-wise, did show that the team is capable of doing much better.

The team is not performing well despite some obvious and proven quality, and ultimately the manager has to carry the can, something Harris refuses to take responsibility for.

[Hilts]

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Some players are getting off scot free for sure and I don't know why they are constantly being picked. If a player isn't performing well / making more than their fair share of mistakes, then deal with it internally, not blame them publicly for entire losses.

However, when the whole team is underperforming it is indicative that there are wider problems, rather than just individual players out of form.

I think the play off run, despite not being particularly attractive footballing-wise, did show that the team is capable of doing much better.

The team is not performing well despite some obvious and proven quality, and ultimately the manager has to carry the can, something Harris refuses to take responsibility for.

Do you think the current team available for selection has enough obvious and proven quality to be anywhere other than mid table?

I dont.

In fact some of the 11 are the quality that will take you down.

[surge]

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Regarding the OP, I was not a fan of that moment at all. Probably the worst thing he's done/said while being here.

Regarding players, I thought these tweets were interesting talking about Woods (formerly of Brentford now at Millwall) who has not been playing that well:

https://twitter.com/secondtierpod/st...1287036149761: Millwall midfielder Ryan Woods has come in for a bit of criticism recently.

Fans think he should be doing a lot better.

However @OmerMFC from @ThatMillwallPod doesn't think he should be scapegoated.

The problem isn’t Woods it’s the players around him. Rowett needs time to build a team to fit his play style, which is difficult atm

Exactly, been saying this myself. He’s still at large working with a Neil Harris squad!

Isn't that exactly the same situation here? Threads about Ojo and Wilson not lighting things up, admission that they could be doing better but identifying that players around them aren't suited to playing the same style because they're from the former manager, the new manager needing time to build a squad to fit their style of play which is difficult at the moment.

Question then becomes whether Harris is capable of taking a jump away from what he was doing at Millwall or whether we're never going to be a team that a former Brentford player can work in. Answer may be in what Harris has been saying in his slightly less pressurised press conferences: i) https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/50459523
ii) https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/...-neil-17843939

Still, it seems unlikely Harris is the man for us now, but still interesting to read those statements as they give clues to what board is looking for in a manager and what may come next.

[Hilts]

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Mourinhos not afraid to stick the boot in.

Delle Alli , Luke Shaw.