UPDATED: David Henderson - Found guilty.

[lardy]

Re: David Henderson goes on trial over charges linked to plane crash which killed Emiliano Sala

as an operator they have a duty of care to their customers. Believe it or not, it is not unheard of to find out a pilot has been flying for many years without the requisite ratings. Its extremely rare, but not unheard of. checks these days are far more stringent.

In short, if Henderson really had no responsibility and it was all Ibbotson as the pilot, then this case wouldn't even have got to court.

[TWGL1]

Re: UPDATED: David Henderson - Found guilty.

Wasn't it McKay that organised the flight, employing Henderson, in the first instance? Therefore, isn't McKay "vicariously liable", too?

Anybody know if Nantes (via McKay) was responsible for the flight ?

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Anybody know if Nantes (via McKay) was responsible for the flight ?

I guess it'll all come out in the end. I don't tihnk this had any real bearing on the topic of whether we have to pay the transfer fee or not though - even if Nantes arranged the flight

[IanD]

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https://www.pprune.org/accidents-clo...sland-110.html


From the pilots forum

N reg aircraft...."self spannered". Ie less oversight and, potentially, less safe.

[IanD]

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Anybody know if Nantes (via McKay) was responsible for the flight ?

McKay employed Henderson to get Sala to Cardiff in time for Sala to join his new teammates in training the next day. To add to the complications, McKays sons were on City's books at the time and soon disappeared from the club (Colchester for one of them, I think) after the plane went down. McKay was after his slice of the cake and wanted to make sure Sala's transfer went through. In that respect Nantes are right to want their transfer fee and aren't liable IMHO.

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In short, if Henderson really had no responsibility and it was all Ibbotson as the pilot, then this case wouldn't even have got to court.

I've not articulated myself at all well here, I'll admit that. The PIC is responsible for the aircraft from the moment the engine is turned on to the moment the engine is turned off. The aircraft operator also has a responsibility outside of that.

As a pilot, I just cannot understand Ibbotson's thinking in flying. He was ultimately responsible once the aircraft decided to depart.

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I've not articulated myself at all well here, I'll admit that. The PIC is responsible for the aircraft from the moment the engine is turned on to the moment the engine is turned off. The aircraft operator also has a responsibility outside of that.

As a pilot, I just cannot understand Ibbotson's thinking in flying. He was ultimately responsible once the aircraft decided to depart.

He could have just waited until the following morning …he must have reasons to depart that fateful evening … …..the weather was atrocious

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He could have just waited until the following morning …he must have reasons to depart that fateful evening … …..the weather was atrocious

another poster has said that he had financial issues, so that's probably the reason.

[IanD]

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another poster has said that he had financial issues, so that's probably the reason.

Indeed. He needed the cash from piloting the aircraft and, as a gas engineer, had a job on the following day which he wanted to get to.

[gabbsthenewt]

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He could have just waited until the following morning …he must have reasons to depart that fateful evening … …..the weather was atrocious

I mean the obvious reading from it would be that he decided to fly believing he and the plane were capable of just about pulling off the flight. Clearly he didn't know well enough and shouldn't have been entrusted with the aircraft.

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I mean the obvious reading from it would be that he decided to fly believing he and the plane were capable of just about pulling off the flight. Clearly he didn't know well enough and shouldn't have been entrusted with the aircraft.

on that flight forum they seemed to be saying that his experience or otherwise might not have had that much to do with the crash if it was carbon monoxide that caused him to become unconscious

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Re: UPDATED: David Henderson - Found guilty.

9 pages, a verdict and still no closer to understanding who will have to pay

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I guess it'll all come out in the end. I don't tihnk this had any real bearing on the topic of whether we have to pay the transfer fee or not though - even if Nantes arranged the flight

Well we didn’t…..can’t believe he doesn’t go down for this? Attempted murder?

[gabbsthenewt]

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on that flight forum they seemed to be saying that his experience or otherwise might not have had that much to do with the crash if it was carbon monoxide that caused him to become unconscious

Of course, but the feasibility of the flight given the conditions, equipment and pilot was already questionable; so it's quite hard to say the carbon monoxide did them - they would have been fine without it; it would seem I would say quite likely instead that the flight had a significant risk of being doomed carbon monoxide issue or not.

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on that flight forum they seemed to be saying that his experience or otherwise might not have had that much to do with the crash if it was carbon monoxide that caused him to become unconscious

most aircraft have some kind of CO monitor the cockpit or flight date. The monitors do have a short life though and do need to be replaced.

CO poisoning would have affected very kind of pilot, although some may have understood the early warning signs better than others.