UPDATED: David Henderson - Found guilty.

[TWGL1]

Re: David Henderson goes on trial over charges linked to plane crash which killed Emiliano Sala

Nantes involvement isn’t anything to do with negligence as I see it, the taxi scenario is relevant at that point, but the bigger picture is it MacKay was acting as Nantes agent and made arrangements to deliver him to us safely, then I think at that point you have to consider were Nantes responsible for his safe delivery, in the same way as if I buy something on eBay I am the contract is complete. If it gets lost in transit due to the courier employed by the seller, I sure as hell ain’t paying for it.

Similar thread here from a guy in S.A

https://www.pprune.org/accidents-close-calls/617514-cardiff-city-footballer-feared-missing-after-aircraft-disappeared-near-channel-island-109.html

[Optimistic Nick]

Re: UPDATED: David Henderson - Found guilty.

9 pages, a verdict and still no closer to understanding who will have to pay

Hardly a surprise. What were you expecting? This is about Henderson's criminal liability for endangering the safety of an aircraft. It may have a bearing on the civil matters, but it's not like they were going to be covering those in this court

[tforturton]

Re: UPDATED: David Henderson - Found guilty.

I can sense that a lot of people are trying to figure out whether or not this lets us off the hook for the £15m transfer fee. It's true that the main reason this whole thing has dragged out for so long, is that both clubs are covered by insurance, but neither company wishes to foot the bill, unless they have to. So we have to go through this apportionment of blame, because as we all know, where there's blame, there's a claim.
So, does the fact the Henderson has been found guilty clarify anything? Well, possibly - he was approached by McKay, and McKay was the agent acting for, well, who exactly? Cardiff City FC, or Nantes FC? That's the next step...

[splott parker]

Re: UPDATED: David Henderson - Found guilty.

I can sense that a lot of people are trying to figure out whether or not this lets us off the hook for the £15m transfer fee. It's true that the main reason this whole thing has dragged out for so long, is that both clubs are covered by insurance, but neither company wishes to foot the bill, unless they have to. So we have to go through this apportionment of blame, because as we all know, where there's blame, there's a claim.
So, does the fact the Henderson has been found guilty clarify anything? Well, possibly - he was approached by McKay, and McKay was the agent acting for, well, who exactly? Cardiff City FC, or Nantes FC? That's the next step...

The one party that I’d love to see come a cropper are the McKay clan. I wouldn’t shed one tear if the majority of blame fell squarely in his/their laps. I’d imagine they’d have some sort of public liability insurance, whether it would cover such a tragedy who knows?

[IanD]

Re: UPDATED: David Henderson - Found guilty.

Today's verdict will have some bearing on next year's inquest. That in turn may point the way for any further prosecutions/insurance claims/liabilities. Unfortunately, this saga has many more twists and turns.

[goats]

Re: UPDATED: David Henderson - Found guilty.

The one party that I’d love to see come a cropper are the McKay clan. I wouldn’t shed one tear if the majority of blame fell squarely in his/their laps. I’d imagine they’d have some sort of public liability insurance, whether it would cover such a tragedy who knows?

I agree, not heard one good word about them. Especially when you hear stuff they said about not being interested in Sala at all just doing the deal for the money etc…read he will get at least a million if we have to pay Nantes, sickening really. Can they prove he organised the flight for Sala? Does it even matter?

[Sloop_Jon_Bee]

Re: David Henderson goes on trial over charges linked to plane crash which killed Emiliano Sala

Wasn’t McKay acting for Nantes and Sala rather than Cardiff. I don’t think we can blame the club if that’s who others choose to represent them.

Yes Mckay was acting on behalf of Nantes not City.
Spedger

[Citizen's Nephew]

Re: UPDATED: David Henderson - Found guilty.

I agree, not heard one good word about them. Especially when you hear stuff they said about not being interested in Sala at all just doing the deal for the money etc…read he will get at least a million if we have to pay Nantes, sickening really. Can they prove he organised the flight for Sala? Does it even matter?

I stress I don't know, but wasn't Warnock close to the McKay's? Didn't he distance himself from them? Didn't he sign the two lads for CCFC? I don't know if any of this is connected but I can't help feeling there was a lot of stuff going on behind the scenes with a lot of kickbacks. All of it is grubby IMO and I'd love someone to follow the money.

[IanD]

Re: UPDATED: David Henderson - Found guilty.

I stress I don't know, but wasn't Warnock close to the McKay's? Didn't he distance himself from them? Didn't he sign the two lads for CCFC? I don't know if any of this is connected but I can't help feeling there was a lot of stuff going on behind the scenes with a lot of kickbacks. All of it is grubby IMO and I'd love someone to follow the money.

Wasn't Warnock's son the McKay lads' agent? As you say...follow the money. Except there isn't any to follow at the moment. The more you look at it, the more Sala comes across as just an innocent pawn in the whole sorry saga.

[splott parker]

Re: UPDATED: David Henderson - Found guilty.

I stress I don't know, but wasn't Warnock close to the McKay's? Didn't he distance himself from them? Didn't he sign the two lads for CCFC? I don't know if any of this is connected but I can't help feeling there was a lot of stuff going on behind the scenes with a lot of kickbacks. All of it is grubby IMO and I'd love someone to follow the money.

Hasn’t it been revealed lately that Warnock went over Dalman’s & Choo’s heads to push the deal through? If, as we hope will happen, everything does come out re. The whole tragic & sordid event, will there be a finger pointing frenzy regarding the whole financial aspect of the shitshow? Could be a light the blue touchpaper and retire affair. Did the ‘Could open up a can of worms’ quote from Henderson refer to a wider scam and not just the loss of the plane and lives? There’s definitely an undercurrent to the whole scenario, something stinks.

[Sloop_Jon_Bee]

Re: UPDATED: David Henderson - Found guilty.

I stress I don't know, but wasn't Warnock close to the McKay's? Didn't he distance himself from them? Didn't he sign the two lads for CCFC? I don't know if any of this is connected but I can't help feeling there was a lot of stuff going on behind the scenes with a lot of kickbacks. All of it is grubby IMO and I'd love someone to follow the money.

I have been thinking along them lines. Prior to promotion NW stated at a few Q&As i went too that if we got promotion he would not look at overseas type players, reiterating doing it the Burnley way. He not only went for Sala, but, as we recently learned, went over MD and KCs' heads (the transfer committee) to get VT to buy Sala. I am in no way implicating NW in any under-the-table stuff here, but would he have been given a recommendation by McKay? Who we now know was representing Nantes.
Feel really sorry for Emiliano's family with all this crap. But this is a complicated saga that has big money involved and big players.
R.I.P Emiliano

Spedger

[Sloop_Jon_Bee]

Re: UPDATED: David Henderson - Found guilty.

Hasn’t it been revealed lately that Warnock went over Dalman’s & Choo’s heads to push the deal through? If, as we hope will happen, everything does come out re. The whole tragic & sordid event, will there be a finger pointing frenzy regarding the whole financial aspect of the shitshow? Could be a light the blue touchpaper and retire affair. Did the ‘Could open up a can of worms’ quote from Henderson refer to a wider scam and not just the loss of the plane and lives? There’s definitely an undercurrent to the whole scenario, something stinks.

[Citizen's Nephew]

Re: UPDATED: David Henderson - Found guilty.

Wasn't Warnock's son the McKay lads' agent? As you say...follow the money. Except there isn't any to follow at the moment. The more you look at it, the more Sala comes across as just an innocent pawn in the whole sorry saga.

I'd forgotten about that. You're right about no money to follow. I'm still hopeful there's a paper trail somewhere. If not, why not?

[Citizen's Nephew]

Re: UPDATED: David Henderson - Found guilty.

Hasn’t it been revealed lately that Warnock went over Dalman’s & Choo’s heads to push the deal through? If, as we hope will happen, everything does come out re. The whole tragic & sordid event, will there be a finger pointing frenzy regarding the whole financial aspect of the shitshow? Could be a light the blue touchpaper and retire affair. Did the ‘Could open up a can of worms’ quote from Henderson refer to a wider scam and not just the loss of the plane and lives? There’s definitely an undercurrent to the whole scenario, something stinks.

Ironically, I think the can of worms has already been opened just by making that quote. This story's going to be investigated - it's only a matter of time. I wouldn't be surprised if The Guardian get their teeth into it.