Quinton de Kock.

[splott parker]

Re: Quinton de Kock.

Qf course he was, kneel or dont play .That is forced.

It’s a choice, he chose not to, there were consequences to his choice. I s’pose there’s consequences to most choices in life. I’m not being forced to go to work today but if I choose not to the consequences are I lose a day’s pay.

[Jimmy the Jock]

Re: Quinton de Kock.

It’s a choice, he chose not to, there were consequences to his choice. I s’pose there’s consequences to most choices in life. I’m not being forced to go to work today but if I choose not to the consequences are I lose a day’s pay.

He is going to play in the future , going against his beliefs (whatever they are ) he will take the knee.
He has been forced to change his beliefs or he doesn't play.

the analogy you are using has no bearing on this story.

[Citizen's Nephew]

Re: Quinton de Kock.

He is going to play in the future , going against his beliefs (whatever they are ) he will take the knee.
He has been forced to change his beliefs or he doesn't play.

the analogy you are using has no bearing on this story.

He hasn't been forced to change his beliefs - as you say, whatever they are. He was directed by his employers to demonstrate a united front against racial inequality. I'm sure we're all subject, daily, to being told to do things we don't want to do. I don't understand this constant bickering over the knee. People put more energy into this than actually dealing with racial inequality and racism. It's bizarre. It's such a shame.

[Jimmy the Jock]

Re: Quinton de Kock.

He hasn't been forced to change his beliefs - as you say, whatever they are. He was directed by his employers to demonstrate a united front against racial inequality. I'm sure we're all subject, daily, to being told to do things we don't want to do. I don't understand this constant bickering over the knee. People put more energy into this than actually dealing with racial inequality and racism. It's bizarre. It's such a shame.

I didn't say he has had to change his beliefs . He is going against his beliefs.
I hope I haven't got involved in bickering , just pointing out the obvious.
I haven't expressed a personal view on the matter.

[Citizen's Nephew]

Re: Quinton de Kock.

I didn't say he has had to change his beliefs . He is going against his beliefs.
I hope I haven't got involved in bickering , just pointing out the obvious.
I haven't expressed a personal view on the matter.

Sorry if that came across wrongly. I wasn't having a go and I'm checking out of this thread now anyway because I've seen some horror shows on the board recently! Life's too short! Anyway, all's good, I'm getting back to the football, work, and watching old videos of horrendous refereeing decisions to still get worked up about decades after the match! :thumbup:

[life on mars]

Re: Quinton de Kock.

Well one thing is for sure he doesn't have a free choice as a human to chose if he stands , knees etc , etc In my book that's being forced to do something against ones freewill .

[Eric Cartman]

Re: Quinton de Kock.

I don't understand this constant bickering over the knee. People put more energy into this than actually dealing with racial inequality and racism. It's bizarre. It's such a shame.

Yes, exactly the reason why it is pointless. It allows governing bodies and millionaires within sport to pretend they are dealing with with racial inequality when they simply aren't.

And now the world decides who is racist or not by who performs this gesture, rather than their actions. It is part of the dumbing down of everything around us.

[life on mars]

Re: Quinton de Kock.

Yes, exactly the reason why it is pointless. It allows governing bodies and millionaires within sport to pretend they are dealing with with racial inequality when they simply aren't.

And now the world decides who is racist or not by who performs this gesture, rather than their actions. It is part of the dumbing down of everything around us.

So true 👍

Actions speak louder than gestures it's a nice veneer tactic for sport to support they have had decades of injustices to reflect on and fix , In particular football where black players are many, sadly the organisation itself , coaching , managers, referees are few.

[Jimmy the Jock]

Re: Quinton de Kock.

Sorry if that came across wrongly. I wasn't having a go and I'm checking out of this thread now anyway because I've seen some horror shows on the board recently! Life's too short! Anyway, all's good, I'm getting back to the football, work, and watching old videos of horrendous refereeing decisions to still get worked up about decades after the match! :thumbup:

:thumbup:

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Re: Quinton de Kock.

Cardiff City refused to back the multi racial mural in Butetown

When it comes to ticking boxes and not actually doing anything about racism you don't have to look far

[blue matt]

Re: Quinton de Kock.

Well one thing is for sure he doesn't have a free choice as a human to chose if he stands , knees etc , etc In my book that's being forced to do something against ones freewill .

the fact is

if he wanted to play for his country, then he had to take the Knee

some will say he wasn't forced to take it ( and of course would not play ), but if he wanted to play for his country he would have to