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[UNDERHILL1927]

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Morison has had barely a week in charge and already got the team playing better. Yes we lost at home AGAIN, but we’re STILL not in the bottom 3 after 1 point from 10 games. Surely this shows our squad has enough talent to stay up when led by a slightly competent manager. A draw and a narrow loss against 2 top 6 sides is fine with me. It’s the upcoming games against the likes of Derby, Hull, Sheffield, etc where I’d find losses concerning.

As for performance meaning nothing, nonsense. I was a lot happier and more confident of results seeing our performance last night than compared to the performance against Swansea or West Brom.

I can see what you mean but points on the board are all that matter. The best teams still win even when they play badly. Relegated teams play badly/well but don't have the quality to get the wins..I fear that's where we are now..

[The Lone Gunman]

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We'll stay up based on other teams' deductions, as long as we don't get one ourselves of course

I don’t think it’s as simple as that. If Derby and Cardiff maintain their current points per game ratios for the rest of the season, Derby would finish above City.

The same is true for Reading with a 9 points deduction. They would still finish above City.

Statement of the obvious, but the Bluebirds need to start winning matches sooner rather than later, because the current points per game ratio wouldn’t even be good enough to finish in front of sides who have or might have points deductions.

[Rjk]

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I think that's a distinct possibility but it's unlikely to be Dalman in my view. I think Tan will make a statement in January for three reasons. 1. It has to be done because of the threat of relegation 2. He (maybe via Dalman) will look good and 3. As has already been mentioned, failure is not an option for him and a good look for him.

I stress, I'm totally guessing here.

I'm not sure he can without risking breaking FFP and a points deduction

[Pearcey3]

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A sign of how difficult our season has been is that four of the five youngest players to play in the Championship this season are Reading players

[the other bob wilson]

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The threat caused by FFP means that we might not even be able to recall Wintle in January without having someone move out first. There have been one or two comments from club employees about loaning out youngsters when the window reopens and, again, it may be that this will apply to some who have been involved with the first team in recent weeks. Therefore, I really don't think that we should expect Vincent Tan to make money available for the window no matter how much trouble we're in.

So, it seems to me that the search for a new manager should take into account a part of the job that doesn't get as much attention as other facets of it do - the ability to improve players already at the club. Clearly, the potential for that happening is greater with younger players than it is for the senior players, many of whom could well not be offered a new contract, but, in many cases, they need to up their performances this season if they are going to attract the interest of the sort of club they think will be after them, so I'd say there's a motivation for them to work constructively with the new manager as well.

Depressingly, there have been stories this week alleging that some on the Board favour another McCarthy type "safe pair of hands" appointment - surely after the disaster that was McCarthy at Cardiff once he'd signed his contract, we don't need more of that. Before they were appointed by us and Forest respectively, I thought the one thing which could be virtually guaranteed when appointing a McCarthy or Hughton in the Championship was that you wouldn't be relegated, but it would appear that those days are gone now maybe because the modern day pro is not too keen about playing the boring football preached by some old guy whose playing career was over before they were born?

To me, it's simple, a younger dynamic manager with a strong background in coaching is better placed to get improved performances out of the squad. Morison has the advantage of already being known and there can be no doubt that he has had a positive impact on the Under 23s, but, for me, someone like Beale has that recognised and successful background in coaching at high levels of the game that we should be looking for. Granted, he has not got the medals won from a playing career that was virtually over before it had to begun to impress the players with, but, you'd hope that they would know enough about him to see that his record tells you he certainly has something about him when it comes to coaching at least.

Of course, the risk comes because it's not known whether a young coach with a good reputation has it within him to make it as a manager (see Paul Clement for example), but it seems to me that it is a little easier these days for a top coach with no great background as a player to talk of to make a success of the manager's job - it would be a risk, but then so would another "safe pair of hands" appointment.

[Citizen's Nephew]

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The threat caused by FFP means that we might not even be able to recall Wintle in January without having someone move out first. There have been one or two comments from club employees about loaning out youngsters when the window reopens and, again, it may be that this will apply to some who have been involved with the first team in recent weeks. Therefore, I really don't think that we should expect Vincent Tan to make money available for the window no matter how much trouble we're in.

So, it seems to me that the search for a new manager should take into account a part of the job that doesn't get as much attention as other facets of it do - the ability to improve players already at the club. Clearly, the potential for that happening is greater with younger players than it is for the senior players, many of whom could well not be offered a new contract, but, in many cases, they need to up their performances this season if they are going to attract the interest of the sort of club they think will be after them, so I'd say there's a motivation for them to work constructively with the new manager as well.

Depressingly, there have been stories this week alleging that some on the Board favour another McCarthy type "safe pair of hands" appointment - surely after the disaster that was McCarthy at Cardiff once he'd signed his contract, we don't need more of that. Before they were appointed by us and Forest respectively, I thought the one thing which could be virtually guaranteed when appointing a McCarthy or Hughton in the Championship was that you wouldn't be relegated, but it would appear that those days are gone now maybe because the modern day pro is not too keen about playing the boring football preached by some old guy whose playing career was over before they were born?

To me, it's simple, a younger dynamic manager with a strong background in coaching is better placed to get improved performances out of the squad. Morison has the advantage of already being known and there can be no doubt that he has had a positive impact on the Under 23s, but, for me, someone like Beale has that recognised and successful background in coaching at high levels of the game that we should be looking for. Granted, he has not got the medals won from a playing career that was virtually over before it had to begun to impress the players with, but, you'd hope that they would know enough about him to see that his record tells you he certainly has something about him when it comes to coaching at least.

Of course, the risk comes because it's not known whether a young coach with a good reputation has it within him to make it as a manager (see Paul Clement for example), but it seems to me that it is a little easier these days for a top coach with no great background as a player to talk of to make a success of the manager's job - it would be a risk, but then so would another "safe pair of hands" appointment.

Good post Bob. If the FFP situation is this bad then I think we're relegated this season and I'd have to concede that our business/financial management is so awful and the board and Tan allowing it to get this bad means they are unfit for purpose. They were unfit for letting Wintle go to one of our competitors in the first place IMO.

I agree wholeheartedly with your points about a manager (which is why I think Bellamy would be a disaster and would end in tears) but my heart sinks if there's truly nothing for a manger in January. What kind of business people are running CCFC? Good financial management is the foundation of survival. FFP breaches don't 'just happen'. They are meant to be forecast way upstream and managed sensibly.

The irony is that the person who introduced FFP, Platini, is charged with fraud!

[Pearcey3]

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I don’t think it’s as simple as that. If Derby and Cardiff maintain their current points per game ratios for the rest of the season, Derby would finish above City.

The same is true for Reading with a 9 points deduction. They would still finish above City.

Statement of the obvious, but the Bluebirds need to start winning matches sooner rather than later, because the current points per game ratio wouldn’t even be good enough to finish in front of sides who have or might have points deductions.

Derby are due a second points deduction for breach of FFP. They will finish bottom.

[City123]

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I don’t think it’s as simple as that. If Derby and Cardiff maintain their current points per game ratios for the rest of the season, Derby would finish above City.

The same is true for Reading with a 9 points deduction. They would still finish above City.

Statement of the obvious, but the Bluebirds need to start winning matches sooner rather than later, because the current points per game ratio wouldn’t even be good enough to finish in front of sides who have or might have points deductions.

If they don't go down they'll get another points deduction

I may be a naïve optimist, but I find it hard to believe we'll continue this horrendous form. Eventually we'll pick up points

[UNDERHILL1927]

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If they don't go down they'll get another points deduction

I may be a naïve optimist, but I find it hard to believe we'll continue this horrendous form. Eventually we'll pick up points

Thankfully eventually was today 👏

[jon1959]

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Derby , Hull , Barnsley , Us , Preston , Peterborough

Bristol City are beginning their annual nose dive.

[Armitage Shanks]

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I think those comments need to be taken with a pinch of salt

Going down would be a disaster for Cardiff City

We would be looking at gates of 12000 in a 32000 seater stadium

I agree all those who would be quite content to see us relegated to re group and reminiscing about games v Plymouth and Bristol Rovers etc Remember we were playing in Ninian Park the last time we were in division 3. A ground that was suited to that division. To play in the 3rd tier in our current stadium would be torture. We are not Sunderland where supporters go there in high numbers. We would have 10-12 thousand at the most. For a stadium like ours the atmosphere would be awful, it's bad enough at the moment with the amount of empty seats.
We have to stay up.

[Rjk]

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I don’t think it’s as simple as that. If Derby and Cardiff maintain their current points per game ratios for the rest of the season, Derby would finish above City.

The same is true for Reading with a 9 points deduction. They would still finish above City.

Statement of the obvious, but the Bluebirds need to start winning matches sooner rather than later, because the current points per game ratio wouldn’t even be good enough to finish in front of sides who have or might have points deductions.

I don't think this is still true for Derby

[Pearcey3]

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Bristol City are beginning their annual nose dive.

Yes they are. Definitely looking like they could be dragged into this.