It's Just Not Cricket - Howzat

[life on mars]

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I said I didn't doubt he had been subjected to racism/derogatory comments, I was making the point that a number of people have been accused of stuff without any chance to defend themselves. Joe Root denied knowing of anything happening but Rafiq was smart enough to paint him out to be a liar. Rafiq called Lloyd 'a closet racist' - that's his opinion, it doesn't mean Lloyd is a closet racist, but it will stick, no doubt. Another asian Yorkshire player [can't recall his name], has stated he wasn't aware of any racism at the club, but Rafiq hasn't called him out..

You are right ,I think the accused should have thier day in front of the same committee to enable a full picture of how the remarks were made ie in drunken moments,
joint banter from each side and describe the environment the remarks were made , it doesn't make the remarks right in fact they are poor , its just needs a full known context of the complete situation it took place in as a learning moment for others who may fall into tge same poor banter .

[The Bloop]

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You are right ,I think the accused should have thier day in front of the same committee to enable a full picture of how the remarks were made ie in drunken moments,
joint banter from each side and describe the environment the remarks were made , it doesn't make the remarks right in fact they are poor , its just needs a full known context of the complete situation it took place in as a learning moment for others who may fall into tge same poor banter .

We're in the position we are because Yorkshire CCC failed to do exactly this in the first place.

[the other bob wilson]

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I said I didn't doubt he had been subjected to racism/derogatory comments, I was making the point that a number of people have been accused of stuff without any chance to defend themselves. Joe Root denied knowing of anything happening but Rafiq was smart enough to paint him out to be a liar. Rafiq called Lloyd 'a closet racist' - that's his opinion, it doesn't mean Lloyd is a closet racist, but it will stick, no doubt. Another asian Yorkshire player [can't recall his name], has stated he wasn't aware of any racism at the club, but Rafiq hasn't called him out..

I watched Rafiq’s testimony on Tuesday and, off the top of my head, the only people he made accusations against who haven’t made some sort of comment on the matter are Martyn Moxon the former England batsman who has been a coach for years at Durham and Yorkshire and is currently off work suffering from stress and Andrew Gale the current Yorkshire coach who was suspended by the county as a result of an anti Semitic tweet he made ten years ago. David Lloyd has apologised for comments about Rafiq in particular and Asian cricketers in general, that will be more than enough for many to think, rightly or wrongly, that he’s a racist without having to take what Rafiq thinks into account. Ajmal Shahzad was the fourth of the players of Asian descent that Michael Vaughans “too many of you” comments we’re supposed to have been directed at, he denies hearing them and has said he did not experience racism at Yorkshire, but the fact remains that there have been multiple resignations at the county in the last couple of weeks, so there’s clearly a problem there.

[Citizen's Nephew]

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We're in the position we are because Yorkshire CCC failed to do exactly this in the first place.

This is something I feel some people are failing to grasp.

[stan butler]

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Turns out Rafiq’s an hypocrite?..

[willo1927]

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Turns out Rafiq’s an hypocrite?..

Hypocrite is being kind I would say.

[stan butler]

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Hypocrite is being kind I would say.

I was thinking of calling him an Utter C**t to be honest but toned it down.

[the other bob wilson]

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https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/nov/19/racism-cricket-azeem-rafiq-yorkshire

[nugent]

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Facking snowflakes mun.
Ponses everywhere.

20 years of working away on English building sites and being called taff or sheep sh ag ger, cmon mun.
Bring that stuff on mun

Calling hard to pronounce names "steve" cmon.
Poofter this guy is

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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Facking snowflakes mun.
Ponses everywhere.

20 years of working away on English building sites and being called taff or sheep sh ag ger, cmon mun.
Bring that stuff on mun

Calling hard to pronounce names "steve" cmon.
Poofter this guy is

Would you go up to a black guy , sub contracted on site to do some groundwork and say ....hey ngggr pass me the spade .....in a jokey sort of way .......and if he went for you say hey I am a taff , people call me sheepshagger ......I was only joking ......as he batters you ?

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...afiq-yorkshire

I have always thought aggers was a plum in the mouth type and to say that a person who is a victim of racism in the workplace .......shouldn't go back for more ......in incredibly stupid

It's obvious that this is a culture of institutional and societal racism

The person who has raised it himself clearly is guilty of anti semitic language so is a hypocrite but that doesn't mean he has not been on the end of racist abuse and if he wasn't the one complaining then I bet someone else was racially abused and didn't speak out .

His previous behaviour doesn't mean that those abusing him get a free ticket

[A Quiet Monkfish]

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I watched Rafiq’s testimony on Tuesday and, off the top of my head, the only people he made accusations against who haven’t made some sort of comment on the matter are Martyn Moxon the former England batsman who has been a coach for years at Durham and Yorkshire and is currently off work suffering from stress and Andrew Gale the current Yorkshire coach who was suspended by the county as a result of an anti Semitic tweet he made ten years ago. David Lloyd has apologised for comments about Rafiq in particular and Asian cricketers in general, that will be more than enough for many to think, rightly or wrongly, that he’s a racist without having to take what Rafiq thinks into account. Ajmal Shahzad was the fourth of the players of Asian descent that Michael Vaughans “too many of you” comments we’re supposed to have been directed at, he denies hearing them and has said he did not experience racism at Yorkshire, but the fact remains that there have been multiple resignations at the county in the last couple of weeks, so there’s clearly a problem there.

I don't doubt there's been racist language thrown about at the club. What irks me is that in common with so much nowadays, individuals, [governments too], can make all sorts of unsubstantiated claims without challenge or scrutiny. Heaven knows, we had it for nearly 2 years. Re. resignations, it's no the old-style 'falling on one's sword' scenario, an admission of guilt etc., but more PR, concerned about losing sponsorship, and generally getting of the firing range. Was the 'too many of you" comment racist ? We don't know the context. Was he really told to 'go and sit by the toilets' ? I think after the anti-semetic/racist comments from him, it's hard to know when he's telling the truth or otherwise. He's a racist - or ex-racist, who's calling out racism. That much is a fact.

[Hilts]

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I don't doubt there's been racist language thrown about at the club. What irks me is that in common with so much nowadays, individuals, [governments too], can make all sorts of unsubstantiated claims without challenge or scrutiny. Heaven knows, we had it for nearly 2 years. Re. resignations, it's no the old-style 'falling on one's sword' scenario, an admission of guilt etc., but more PR, concerned about losing sponsorship, and generally getting of the firing range. Was the 'too many of you" comment racist ? We don't know the context. Was he really told to 'go and sit by the toilets' ? I think after the anti-semetic/racist comments from him, it's hard to know when he's telling the truth or otherwise. He's a racist - or ex-racist, who's calling out racism. That much is a fact.

Let me understand this.

You want to know the context of the comments of being called a p*** , elephant washer , too many of you , sit by the toilet etc etc as it may not have benn racist.

But having seen Rafiqs tweets youve decided he was or is a racist.?

[Croesy Blue]

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Let me understand this.

You want to know the context of the comments of being called a p*** , elephant washer , too many of you , sit by the toilet etc etc as it may not have benn racist.

But having seen Rafiqs tweets youve decided he was or is a racist.?

[Hilts]

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Also like to know why Rafiq is a racist or was a racist fact.

While earlier refutes David Lloyd is. ???

Compare Rafiqs tweets and Lloyd's comments about the Asian Community. Love to know why Monkfish thinks its a fact Rafiq is or was a racist but Lloyd isnt?