It's Just Not Cricket - Howzat

[Citizen's Nephew]

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I don't doubt there's been racist language thrown about at the club. What irks me is that in common with so much nowadays, individuals, [governments too], can make all sorts of unsubstantiated claims without challenge or scrutiny. Heaven knows, we had it for nearly 2 years. Re. resignations, it's no the old-style 'falling on one's sword' scenario, an admission of guilt etc., but more PR, concerned about losing sponsorship, and generally getting of the firing range. Was the 'too many of you" comment racist ? We don't know the context. Was he really told to 'go and sit by the toilets' ? I think after the anti-semetic/racist comments from him, it's hard to know when he's telling the truth or otherwise. He's a racist - or ex-racist, who's calling out racism. That much is a fact.

What is it you want? It makes no sense for anyone to argue the way you are unless there's another reason. What is it? I'm disappointed that Rafiq made the remarks he did. So is he. Do you ever make mistakes? Are you never guilty of hypocrisy? I know I am and when I realise it I try to fix it or remedy it.

By your reasoning a reformed criminal will always be criminal and can never be trusted based on something they did. This isn't a religious thing when I say, without forgiveness we can never move on. He's apologised. It's pretty clear to most reasonable people that he's deeply embarrassed himself. To me, that's enough. It doesn't negate anything that's happened to him. It doesn't let anyone else off the hook and it doesn't make Rafiq a liar. It just makes him human and flawed, like the rest of us, including you.

[Citizen's Nephew]

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Even Rafiq, after everything he was put through, endorsed forgiveness (on R4). This was before the recent historic remarks.

[LeningradCowboy]

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https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/politics/azeem-rafiq-accused-of-sending-creepy-messages-to-teenage-girl-six-years-ago-3464984

Azeem Rafiq accused of sending 'creepy' messages to teenage girl six years ago

[Citizen's Nephew]

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FFS. He's going to be character-assissinated. Which means all the other stuff will be dismissed. Another bloody mess. I give up.

[stan butler]

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FFS. He's going to be character-assissinated. Which means all the other stuff will be dismissed. Another bloody mess. I give up.

People in glass houses

[Croesy Blue]

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People in glass houses

So are you saying people can’t ever complain about anything unless they’re completely squeaky clean themselves?

Are you saying If someone says something racist once they can’t complain about systematic racism targeting them in the workplace?

[nugent]

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Would you go up to a black guy , sub contracted on site to do some groundwork and say ....hey ngggr pass me the spade .....in a jokey sort of way .......and if he went for you say hey I am a taff , people call me sheepshagger ......I was only joking ......as he batters you ?

That's not my analogy tho was it you berk

[stan butler]

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So are you saying people can’t ever complain about anything unless they’re completely squeaky clean themselves?

Are you saying If someone says something racist once they can’t complain about systematic racism targeting them in the workplace?

Racist reporting a racist..

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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That's not my analogy tho was it you berk

Yes it was

[Croesy Blue]

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Racist reporting a racist..

2 questions:

Is someone who says something racist once is a racist?

Is it then ok to racially abuse them over a period of time?

[stan butler]

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2 questions:

Is someone who says something racist once is a racist?

Is it then ok to racially abuse them over a period of time?

If someone shouts N****R or P**i at a player once during a game would that make them a racist or not?
Plus i'm not saying it's ok to for anyone to be abused racially or in any other way in fact but don't play the innocent victim when you have dished it out previously.
That's it from me i don't even have any interest in this thread or cricket

[Croesy Blue]

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If someone shouts N****R or P**i at a player once during a game would that make them a racist or not?
Plus i'm not saying it's ok to for anyone to be abused racially or in any other way in fact but don't play the innocent victim when you have dished it out previously.
That's it from me i don't even have any interest in this thread or cricket

But he isn’t playing the victim, he has been the actual victim.

I don’t understand how doing something wrong himself charges that or means it’s ok.

That’s it from you because the actual logic of the situation means you have to think about your opinion and maybe change it but that would mean admitting you might be wrong.