Possible COVID PASSES for pubs !!!

[BLUETIT]

What’s your opinion ???

https://apple.news/At_vLgX4MS7i32Ovyjy0Xrg

Shirley a small pub can’t be expected to employ doormen/person, to check.

It’ll kill businesses !!

[Croesy Blue]

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Works well in France. They don’t use doormen though they just have the person working there check it.

I think the reason it’ll be difficult is some of the people who cause a fuss with business owners are the exact type of people you don’t want to confront about it because it’s too much hassle.

[Whisperer]

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If a Covid pass is needed for a pub then surely one must be shown for a train or bus.

[Hilts]

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No issue with it.

Add in cashless bars to reduce the spread as well.

[blue matt]

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surely its the same as when you go to a pub / cafe and the person serving you asks you to scan the T&T QR sign

just show them your phone / pass and its done

[The Bloop]

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Cant see a problem with it.
If it helps reduce the pressure on the nhs throughout the winter then it's shirley not too much of an inconvenience.

[JamesWales]

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Cant see a problem with it.
If it helps reduce the pressure on the nhs throughout the winter then it's shirley not too much of an inconvenience.

Step too far. Being vaccinated doesn't prevent you from passing it on. Can see the argument on how it can increase take up of the vaccine, but I think we are in danger of creating a few rather oppressive 'norms' for society as a result of Covid. The winners will be tech firms and global finance.

We are now at the point where Covid is more or less akin to seasonal flu. We would never have dreamt of such restrictions for that.

I also don't think this policy works. You make pubs more difficult to access then you push people to houses where there are no restrictions.

[Croesy Blue]

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Step too far. Being vaccinated doesn't prevent you from passing it on. Can see the argument on how it can increase take up of the vaccine, but I think we are in danger of creating a few rather oppressive 'norms' for society as a result of Covid. The winners will be tech firms and global finance.

We are now at the point where Covid is more or less akin to seasonal flu. We would never have dreamt of such restrictions for that.

I also don't think this policy works. You make pubs more difficult to access then you push people to houses where there are no restrictions.

Being vaccinated lowers the chance of passing it or catching it.

It’s a lot more severe than flu at the moment, we wouldn’t be seeing 150 average daily deaths from flu in the autumn.

Not saying I’m for or against the passes but there’s no need to stray from the facts.

[TWGL1]

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Being vaccinated lowers the chance of passing it or catching it.

It’s a lot more severe than flu at the moment, we wouldn’t be seeing 150 average daily deaths from flu in the autumn.

Not saying I’m for or against the passes but there’s no need to stray from the facts.

How would you know it lowers the chance of passing it or catching it ? Looking at Gibraltar as an example that’s highly unlikely.

The IFR rate is 0.019 which is the same as flu , the difference with flu is that we don’t test people within 28 days regardless of other illnesses inherited.

It may not kill the industry but people will definitely lose jobs.

[Croesy Blue]

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How would you know it lowers the chance of passing it or catching it ? Looking at Gibraltar as an example that’s highly unlikely.

The IFR rate is 0.019 which is the same as flu , the difference with flu is that we don’t test people within 28 days regardless of other illnesses inherited.

It may not kill the industry but people will definitely lose jobs.

Look in the lancet reports which has all the data. It isn’t going to stop 100% of transmissions and without any restrictions it’s still a very transmissible virus, especially the delta variant. The vaccine loses efficiency after 6 months if only given in 2 doses which also explains places seeing some growth in figures which is why boosters are important .

The IFR for Covid and flu aren’t similar either, especially without vaccination it’s about a magnitude greater.

Again not being pro or anti pass but not sticking to facts undermines arguments.

[delmbox]

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On another note, bring back table service

[TWGL1]

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Look in the lancet reports which has all the data. It isn’t going to stop 100% of transmissions and without any restrictions it’s still a very transmissible virus, especially the delta variant. The vaccine loses efficiency after 6 months if only given in 2 doses which also explains places seeing some growth in figures which is why boosters are important .

The IFR for Covid and flu aren’t similar either, especially without vaccination it’s about a magnitude greater.

Again not being pro or anti pass but not sticking to facts undermines arguments.

The IFR rate is exactly the same , I can read data , can you imagine if they tested everyone for flu within 28 days prior ?


If the vax only lasts 6 months why don’t the government look at prior infection immunity ( anti-body testing ) , as this would offer longer protection than 6 months and free up vaccination supplies for people in the greatest need ?

On a personal note , boosting everyone within a six month period is not feasible and in the recipients best interest is it ?

[Croesy Blue]

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Why is it not feasible or in anyone’s best interest?

It’s not that it only lasts 6 months but transmission protection wanes. A lot of vaccines need more than 2 courses to make it last it isn’t a surprise with this one, especially since the emergence of the delta variant.

I’d be interested to see anywhere saying the IFR is the same for flu and Covid because everywhere I look says Covid is much higher.

I agree Covid is becoming endemic and if we are fully vaxxed we can treat it like flu but we aren’t there yet in my opinion.

[TWGL1]

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Why is it not feasible or in anyone’s best interest?

It’s not that it only lasts 6 months but transmission protection wanes. A lot of vaccines need more than 2 courses to make it last it isn’t a surprise with this one, especially since the emergence of the delta variant.

I’d be interested to see anywhere saying the IFR is the same for flu and Covid because everywhere I look says Covid is much higher.

I agree Covid is becoming endemic and if we are fully vaxxed we can treat it like flu but we aren’t there yet in my opinion.

iFR rate is the same as flu - ministers have confirmed In parliament

https://twitter.com/stevebakerhw/status/1437769574615764992?s=21

Today I asked @sajidjavid when we can expect to live with Covid-19 as an endemic disease, just like flu.

✅ Ministers have now confirmed the infection fatality rate of COVID19 is 0.096%, comparable to 🤧

[Croesy Blue]

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https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanres/article/PIIS2213-2600(20)30527-0/fulltext

That says completely different.

So is the IFR the same as flu only post vaccination? Which means if immunity and waining and we are entering winter trying to keep it under wraps might be a good idea.

Again not pro or anti covid pass just saying the argument should be made with all the facts.