Possible COVID PASSES for pubs !!!

[TWGL1]

Re: Possible COVID PASSES for pubs !!!

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/l...527-0/fulltext

That says completely different.

So is the IFR the same as flu only post vaccination? Which means if immunity and waining and we are entering winter trying to keep it under wraps might be a good idea.

Again not pro or anti covid pass just saying the argument should be made with all the facts.

I take on board your link from The Lancet , as I feel we need to debate freely something this important however, The Lancet Global Health Commission on High Quality Health Systems in the SDG Era is supported by funding from the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation.

The content is solely the responsibility of the authors and does not necessarily represent the official views of the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation.

On that basis I think the comparisons to Flu would be more accurate if discussed in Parliament.

[BLUETIT]

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To me, a law which is unenforceable, is not a law (20 mph for example)

People are not wearing masks on transport or shops.

If it goes down the road of showing passes in pubs, why not shops and transport as well.

We would all love to be back to normal, but what is normal these days.

It should be all or nothing, not show it here, wear it there !!

Everywhere should be treated the same, then we would all know where we stood

[Rjk]

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I take on board your link from The Lancet , as I feel we need to debate freely something this important however, The Lancet Global Health Commission on High Quality Health Systems in the SDG Era is supported by funding from the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation.

The content is solely the responsibility of the authors and does not necessarily represent the official views of the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation.

On that basis I think the comparisons to Flu would be more accurate if discussed in Parliament.

The Lancet is very well respected and I'm not aware of any credible accusations of bias. I'm not sure what the Bill and melinda gates foundation funding relates to exactly, I know they are heavily involved in healthcare issues worldwide so it isn't a surprise they will have reason t interact with the lancet.

Parliament is not a credible source. People can say any old shite in parliament and not get called out on it. I've read hansard on some debates on a couple of topics I had some knowledge in and found people were talking utter shite, unchallenged throughout. MPs are usually not experts. Lets not pretend that it is more reliable than the lancet because it is convenient for a point you are making.

[NYCBlue]

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What’s your opinion ???

https://apple.news/At_vLgX4MS7i32Ovyjy0Xrg

Shirley a small pub can’t be expected to employ doormen/person, to check.

It’ll kill businesses !!

In New York, the bartender or waitperson asks for the pass. Seems to be working fine. Think of it as enabling business.

[Croesy Blue]

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I take on board your link from The Lancet , as I feel we need to debate freely something this important however, The Lancet Global Health Commission on High Quality Health Systems in the SDG Era is supported by funding from the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation.

I ****ing knew it.

If you won't take on genuine facts from the lancet then there's no point discussing it.

Yet you are taking the IFR of flu and covid from an MP at face value. **** sake.

[TWGL1]

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The Lancet is very well respected and I'm not aware of any credible accusations of bias. I'm not sure what the Bill and melinda gates foundation funding relates to exactly, I know they are heavily involved in healthcare issues worldwide so it isn't a surprise they will have reason t interact with the lancet.

Parliament is not a credible source. People can say any old shite in parliament and not get called out on it. I've read hansard on some debates on a couple of topics I had some knowledge in and found people were talking utter shite, unchallenged throughout. MPs are usually not experts. Lets not pretend that it is more reliable than the lancet because it is convenient for a point you are making.

The funding will in my opinion give it a conflict of interest, but as I’ve said it’s important to debate things like this.

The pass in my opinion could be discriminatory and could lead to a two tiered society.

I agree that some things in Parliament are debatable and unimportant, however COVID facts gives it a different perspective altogether.

Ultimately 30% will be all for it ( regardless of any counter opinion), 40% will be on the fence and the other 30% will be against.

[lardy]

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The Lancet is very well respected and I'm not aware of any credible accusations of bias. I'm not sure what the Bill and melinda gates foundation funding relates to exactly, I know they are heavily involved in healthcare issues worldwide so it isn't a surprise they will have reason t interact with the lancet.

Parliament is not a credible source. People can say any old shite in parliament and not get called out on it. I've read hansard on some debates on a couple of topics I had some knowledge in and found people were talking utter shite, unchallenged throughout. MPs are usually not experts. Lets not pretend that it is more reliable than the lancet because it is convenient for a point you are making.

Bill Gates is the go-to name for covid conspiracy theorists, just like Soros is for political ones. Not saying this TGW guy is one, but alarm bells ring when he's brought into it.

[lardy]

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The funding will in my opinion give it a conflict of interest, but as I’ve said it’s important to debate things like this.

The pass in my opinion could be discriminatory and could lead to a two tiered society.

I agree that some things in Parliament are debatable and unimportant, however COVID facts gives it a different perspective altogether.

Ultimately 30% will be all for it ( regardless of any counter opinion), 40% will be on the fence and the other 30% will be against.

All research, including research you like, is funded.

And we're surely far enough down these tracks to take parliament with a pinch of salt.

[TWGL1]

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I’ve given you a reasonable response, if it differs to yours fine - hope that helps

[TWGL1]

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😂

[Croesy Blue]

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I’ve given you a reasonable response, if it differs to yours fine - hope that helps

You haven't give a reasonable response though you posted something untrue about the IFR of covid backed it up with a source which wasn't any good and then ignored the actual scientific paper about it because of Bill Gates.

[Rjk]

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The funding will in my opinion give it a conflict of interest, but as I’ve said it’s important to debate things like this.

The pass in my opinion could be discriminatory and could lead to a two tiered society.

I agree that some things in Parliament are debatable and unimportant, however COVID facts gives it a different perspective altogether.

Ultimately 30% will be all for it ( regardless of any counter opinion), 40% will be on the fence and the other 30% will be against.

What specifically is the funding? how does it lead to a conflict of interest? what are Bill Gates "interests" that are relevant here, other than wanting to improve health?. Id doesn't seem like you've thought this though other than saying Bill Gates = Bad.

[TWGL1]

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What specifically is the funding? how does it lead to a conflict of interest? what are Bill Gates "interests" that are relevant here, other than wanting to improve health?. Id doesn't seem like you've thought this though other than saying Bill Gates = Bad.

It’s just my opinion , ultimately I’m just replying to a thread on here. I have thought it through, but it’s up you to make an informed decision yourself. Im just quoting what Steven Baker raised in Parliament, which I found interesting and relevant to the debate about passports in pubs. You don’t have to agree do you ?

My personal opinion is that it should be for everything or nothing at all. I know people in my family who are in retail and Leisure and it’s going to make it very difficult for them to survive.

[JamesWales]

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The funding will in my opinion give it a conflict of interest, but as I’ve said it’s important to debate things like this.

The pass in my opinion could be discriminatory and could lead to a two tiered society.

I agree that some things in Parliament are debatable and unimportant, however COVID facts gives it a different perspective altogether.

Ultimately 30% will be all for it ( regardless of any counter opinion), 40% will be on the fence and the other 30% will be against.

I agree entirely. There is a lot of very regressive stuff being pushed through and normalised at the moment.

I have had both vaccines, wholly support the vaccination programme and would encourage people to do so, but people's bodies are their own and I don't agree in allowing or denying entry to places in ones own country based on vaccinations etc. Covid will come and go but there are certain societal norms that I think we should be wary of giving up.

[life on mars]

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What’s your opinion ???

https://apple.news/At_vLgX4MS7i32Ovyjy0Xrg

Shirley a small pub can’t be expected to employ doormen/person, to check.

It’ll kill businesses !!

It will effect the smaller venues who cant afford the door persons or scanners or QR codes readers etc , it will create the loss of business and sadly , jobs , time to show some live with the beast ,however whatever Nicola of Scotland does old Mark is not far behind save him looking for
a better smarter solution .