A&E and ambulance performance worst ever - again

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Zarah Sultana MP @zarahsultana

It’s been revealed that the Health Secretary, @SajidJavid, has shares in an AI company that operates in healthcare.

Javid has recently promoted AI being used more in healthcare. This would benefit shareholders of AI companies.

I told you they were dodgy.

11:16 AM · Nov 19, 2021


More outrageous 'politicisation' of the NHS!

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...alth-tech-firm

Flipping heck

Nothing to see here

Move along

[life on mars]

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Flipping heck

Nothing to see here

Move along

And what has this to do with the incompetence of how tax payers money has been spent in Wales ???

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And what has this to do with the incompetence of how tax payers money has been spent in Wales ???

It shows that in England the health Secretary, newly elected , is not only presiding over a shit storm .......he's making money from it

Incompetent and bent

[life on mars]

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I used to work in the commercial sector of a pharmaceutical company and much of my time was spent with DoH/ NHS and procurement contracts. Without exception the procurement processes were always robust and in emergency situations, where there was no time to go out to tender, the unsuccessful companies always had the option of challenging the decision.
In my experience the weakness in the system was the failure to manage the market, particularly with specialist pharmaceuticals. It was common practice to go with the cheapest and before you know it all the business in the UK regions ended up with one company, the competition withdrew as they had minimal/no business...,so you can guess what happened next.

In my experience its the abilities of health trust managers who waste the huge amounts of resources and funding provided , no one ever talks about how ef
efficient those funds are allocated and performance managed , its so easy to default to the evil government funding somewhere there is a balance between funding and efficiency or is it easier to default to not manage the funding and moan about it going wrong 😳

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It shows that in England the health Secretary, newly elected , is not only presiding over a shit storm .......he's making money from it

Incompetent and bent

And our own deffencies , if you think the funding in Wales is well managed you may want to examine it in more detail and there a lot of over paid trust management and waste going on , I don't think they are corrupt but one may consider them very inefficient with tax payers money . I have few friends in health and they don't have a good word to say about the over 80k pa plus managers, this post is not about Tories and you and John bitter hate, it's about our own A&E funded services, it's two different arguments.

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I can't remember ever commenting on Welsh Labour in the way you describe. I usually avoid the arguments about the Senedd because I don't live in Wales. I plead guilty to commenting on the cock-ups and corruption of the UK government. But there you go. meh!

I agree with your general point about the NHS accessing services immediately if they are available - but I don't know (do you?) what the NHS has to pay for those services. A registered charity and an insurance-funded 'not for profit' company maybe should have a role in health care provision to users of the NHS - they are not profit-led private sector organisations of the sort that now occupy large parts of the NHS.

I don't know enough about the French and German health care models to comment. I know you have been advocating the German approach on here for years. I understand that there are short waiting times for testing and treatments/surgery, but isn't it funded by additional health insurance payments on top of general tax contributions? Does that mean that health outcomes are partly dependent on ability to pay?

This was an interesting (and recent) reference:

https://www.william-russell.com/blog...hcare-systems/

In Germany you are given two options: pay into the state system or pay privately. Its either or, not a top up.

One is cheaper than the other when you're younger, but becomes more expensive as you get older. The split is about 77/23 the last time I checked, albeit a few years ago, on favour of public.

There is no stigma attached to using either, and all doctors and medical facilities are privately delivered, but funded by one of the above two methods.

It's an excellent system and provides more timely quality care (for all) than what we are used to in the UK.

Thats not knocking the NHS, I dont see why my BUPA cover can pay for a specialist tomorrow, but the NHS won't pay for the same specialist for 12 months or whatever

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-59332890

The worst ever performance figures have once again been recorded by hospital emergency departments and the ambulance service in Wales.

Undoubtedly A&E will always benefit from more funding but the real help that it needs are:
For GP’ surgeries to do more locally
It should only be used for those most in need.

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Undoubtedly A&E will always benefit from more funding but the real help that it needs are:
For GP’ surgeries to do more locally
It should only be used for those most in need.

My old dears GP surgery has been fantastic

In fact I would say the NHS have been fantastic all round

Social care however is completely fecked

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And our own deffencies , if you think the funding in Wales is well managed you may want to examine it in more detail and there a lot of over paid trust management and waste going on , I don't think they are corrupt but one may consider them very inefficient with tax payers money . I have few friends in health and they don't have a good word to say about the over 80k pa plus managers, this post is not about Tories and you and John bitter hate, it's about our own A&E funded services, it's two different arguments.

I don't know about the original poster but most people who attack the Welsh NHS on here and in the media etc are fecking tory voters

So I always like it when things such as that little turd saeed making money on the back of the NHS in England are pointed out .....look what you could have won ! 🏆

Jeremy hunt , the stupid can't, Hancock and now saaed, all English health secretaries , all at it !

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During that awful austerity program Wales was the only UK country not to sustain funding In fact spending fell and Drakeford was the Health Minister.

For decades NHS spending has never been a real priority for the Labour Party and WAG always seem to take from the NHS budget to save money.

Free prescriptions has never been proven to be a cost effective saving measure , however its a good voting tool .

Instead of wasting millions like the £100m of taxpayer money that has gone into CF failiing Airport and the £100m on the enquiry into the M4 relief road, why not fix NHS Wales .

I don't think WAG has the abilities to manage Health ,Education or Transport, they should never have been devolved.

There may well be corruption in Westminster, but my god there's boundless incompetencies in Welsh run Wales, which is equally corrupt in its nature to the people of Wales who suffer because of these faults and yes some die because of its incompetency.

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During that awful austerity program Wales was the only UK country not to sustain funding In fact spending fell and Drakeford was the Health Minister.

For decades NHS spending has never been a real priority for the Labour Party and WAG always seem to take from the NHS budget to save money.

Free prescriptions has never been proven to be a cost effective saving measure , however its a good voting tool .

Instead of wasting millions like the £100m of taxpayer money that has gone into CF failiing Airport and the £100m on the enquiry into the M4 relief road, why not fix NHS Wales .

I don't think WAG has the abilities to manage Health ,Education or Transport, they should never have been devolved.

There may well be corruption in Westminster, but my god there's boundless incompetencies in Welsh run Wales, which is equally corrupt in its nature to the people of Wales who suffer because of these faults and yes some die because of its incompetency.

Do you think health , education and transport are being managed well in England ?

Because I have friends in England who would love to pay what we pay for social care here in Wales

Social care in Wales is in the shit but it's funded as well as it can be by the Welsh government to ensure nobody pays above 100 quid per week for care .

What do you think my friends experiences are of care in England ?

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NHS budgets have gone up a lot in last few years. If performance is getting worse (and it's impossible to tell cos of Covid really) then just ignoring that and shouting for more money doesn't make you a friend of the NHS.

There's clearly massive structural issues at play. Ignoring it just tolerates that

Just blaming Westminster when we are talking about a service thats been devolved for 20 years is just ridiculous and rather gutless.

This is too important for petty party politics. Everyone needs to come together on it. We all want the same thing

What are the structural issues in your opinion?

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And there are not massive structural issues in England ?

I think you will find its absolutely on its arse there too

My friend who is 35 and lives in Birmingham is currently crippled by Crohns can't get treatment so yeah there it's ****ed.

It's designed to be ****ed. Time is running out.

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I will make a point that people (of all sides) might not like. Wales is a county of England when it comes to government spending. To pretend that they have real actionable choices is insane or deliberately misleading. There is a crystal clear aim to underfund healthcare in the UK, I don't even know what kind of evidence the people who deny that want to see anymore? It is a snowball going down a hill and we are becoming exponentially more ****ed as each day goes by.

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I will make a point that people (of all sides) might not like. Wales is a county of England when it comes to government spending. To pretend that they have real actionable choices is insane or deliberately misleading. There is a crystal clear aim to underfund healthcare in the UK, I don't even know what kind of evidence the people who deny that want to see anymore? It is a snowball going down a hill and we are becoming exponentially more ****ed as each day goes by.

The private care companies are waiting

We are the next United States

Fecked