Kyle Rittenhouse

[WJ99mobile]

Don’t know if anyone has been following the story and regardless of whether you felt that he was guilty or not, what it does show is Americas gun laws are crazy.

[jon1959]

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https://www.ccmb.co.uk/showthread.php?451000-What-a-bonkers-country-America-in-all-of-its-glory

[Croesy Blue]

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Don’t know if anyone has been following the story and regardless of whether you felt that he was guilty or not, what it does show is Americas gun laws are crazy.

It’s completely ****ing nuts isn’t it. It’s why I’m glad we don’t have gun ownership here. Seems like you can take a gun somewhere get yourself in an argument and shoot someone as self defence.

[jimmyscoular]

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It’s completely ****ing nuts isn’t it. It’s why I’m glad we don’t have gun ownership here. Seems like you can take a gun somewhere get yourself in an argument and shoot someone as self defence.

A caricature, of course. Shooting someone while engaging in an argument will get you life in jail, if you escape the death penalty. Shoot someone, however, who has already declared his intention to kill you should he find you alone, and finds himself in precisely that circumstance and is lunging at you; or who is kicking your head in or beating you about the head with a skateboard and is himself armed, well, then, you may act to prevent yourself from death or imminent bodily harm.

Is this not the law in Britain?

[ToTaL ITK]

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Clearly they didn't hit this prick hard enough with skateboard.

[jimmyscoular]

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Here's another case, quite like the Rittenhouse case, which has not received much publicity but was resolved the same day. Interestingly, this one involved not just the alleged murder of a young black woman but also the alleged attempted murder of police officers. The accused, one Andrew Coffee IV, was acquitted by a Florida (Republican state) jury on all murder and attempted murder charges after making a self-defence argument. Unfortunately for Mr. Coffee he was a felon in possession of a firearm — always and everywhere a no-no in the United States — and so he was convicted on that charge. His attorney stipulated his guilt on the possession charge (circumlocution can stretch only so far) but had hoped the circumstances would merit some understanding.

https://www.wptv.com/news/region-indian-river-county/andrew-coffee-iv-found-not-guilty-on-5-counts-in-indian-river-county-swat-raid

[jimmyscoular]

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Clearly they didn't hit this prick hard enough with skateboard.

They would have, of course, if Rittenhouse had just accepted further blows as presumably you would have done.

[Croesy Blue]

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A caricature, of course. Shooting someone while engaging in an argument will get you life in jail, if you escape the death penalty. Shoot someone, however, who has already declared his intention to kill you should he find you alone, and finds himself in precisely that circumstance and is lunging at you; or who is kicking your head in or beating you about the head with a skateboard and is himself armed, well, then, you may act to prevent yourself from death or imminent bodily harm.

Is this not the law in Britain?

What if you’ve incited them though? Sets a very dangerous precedent IMO.

And the worst part is people can’t be objective about it because they already decided they’re “right” or “left” of shooting people because how vacuous politics and people have become.

[chris lee]

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Before making judgments, how many people have actually seen the video evidence?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iryQSpxSlrg&ab_channel=ChicagoSun-Times

He was punched in the back of the head, and kicked while on the floor before he opened fire. The most blatant example of self-defence I have ever seen.

[Croesy Blue]

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Before making judgments, how many people have actually seen the video evidence?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iryQSpxSlrg&ab_channel=ChicagoSun-Times

He was punched in the back of the head, and kicked while on the floor before he opened fire. The most blatant example of self-defence I have ever seen.

What happened before that though? It doesn’t seem to be anywhere near enough evidence in that.

What shocks me is someone watches that and thinks yeah those 2 lads deserved to be shot dead. Scares me that people can think like that.

I feel like people have picked a side based on their “politics” and will use anything to argue it. There no way that video shows me anything that means it’s ok for someone to be killed.

I can’t believe you’re calling someone a dangerous criminal based on it either. Are you serious?

[NYCBlue]

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What until the blokes that murdered Ahmaud Arbery get off. Then the shit will hit the fan.

[life on mars]

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Clearly they didn't hit this prick hard enough with skateboard.

And potentially kill him?

Surely that's condoning a different form of intententional and senseless violence ?

[Croesy Blue]

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I don’t know the case well but wandering into another city with a gun on your back to argue with protesters then crying and shooting someone who attacked you and getting away with it scott free seems madness.

If someone wandered into canton wearing a Swansea shirt and shot and killed someone who beat them up would they deserve to get away with it?

Ridiculous gun laws and a case politicised beyond belief.

[chris lee]

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What happened before that though? It doesn’t seem to be anywhere near enough evidence in that.

What shocks me is someone watches that and thinks yeah those 2 lads deserved to be shot dead. Scares me that people can think like that.

I feel like people have picked a side based on their “politics” and will use anything to argue it. There no way that video shows me anything that means it’s ok for someone to be killed.

I can’t believe you’re calling someone a dangerous criminal based on it either. Are you serious?

Of course they did not deserve to be shot dead, they made a foolish choice to chase down and punch/kick an armed individual, doesn't mean Kyle is therefore guilty of their murder does it?

[Croesy Blue]

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Of course they did not deserve to be shot dead, they made a foolish mistake of chasing down and punching/kicking armed individual, doesn't mean Kyle is therefore guilty of their murder does it?

It doesn’t mean he is completely innocent either though. You’re basing your whole opinion off that video without knowing what started everyone hitting him.

Seems you’ve made your mind up without wanting to see the full set of evidence. I seriously cannot believe you’re calling that guy a “dangerous criminal” based on that.

Wandering into a city win a gun looking for a fight then winding someone up into attacking you does not mean you should be able to shoot them without repercussion. That’s what sets the precedent. Get someone to attack and say you shot them in self defence because you feared for your safety. Dangerous, stupid and again something politicised that shouldn’t be.