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  • Re: Christmas

    Originally posted by dembethewarrior View Post
    You have posted diagrams of scientific matter because it is shaped like a cross, you choose to believe that science.

    The same science, I'll mention it again in capitals THE BIG BANG as my ONE, cheers for the selection offer there, the big bang is widely accepted in science to be absolutely ****ing true. The big bang kind of pisses all over the god creating earth part of your belief. But you probably don't believe that science as it doesn't suit your belief and doesn't have lots of pretty crosses.
    As you said "absolutely ****ing true" then it must be a fact.
    What you mean is this, as I've been told since I was in short trousers that scientists believe this is how things started, then it must be correct. Let's go to National Geographic, a scientific publication that has never knowingly supported the Bible and in fact once produced a 15 page article celebrating a 'verified' fossil of a dinosaur with feathers!! (in a later edition it had to apologise for jumping the gun as the fossil turned out to be a hoax of a bird fossil stuck onto a dinosaur fossil).
    So much for science speculation turning out to be utterly reliable:-

    Before we look at one statement, here is the entire article >> ORIGINS OF THE UNIVERSE EXPLAINED

    "Here’s the theory: In the first 10^-43 seconds of its existence, the universe was very compact, less than a million billion billionth the size of a single atom. It's thought that at such an incomprehensibly dense, energetic state, the four fundamental forces—gravity, electromagnetism, and the strong and weak nuclear forces—were forged into a single force, but our current theories haven't yet figured out how a single, unified force would work. To pull this off, we'd need to know how gravity works on the subatomic scale, but we currently don't".

    Given that in this short paragraph we have:-

    * Here's the theory
    * It's thought that..
    * but our current theories haven't yet figured out how a single, unified force would work.
    * we'd need to know how gravity works on the subatomic scale, but we currently don't".

    So your "absolutely ****ing true" is hanging on so much uncertainties that I fail to see how any honest individual - scientist or not - could claim it to be an absolute?

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    • Re: Christmas

      Originally posted by truthpaste View Post
      As you said "absolutely ****ing true" then it must be a fact.
      What you mean is this, as I've been told since I was in short trousers that scientists believe this is how things started, then it must be correct. Let's go to National Geographic, a scientific publication that has never knowingly supported the Bible and in fact once produced a 15 page article celebrating a 'verified' fossil of a dinosaur with feathers!! (in a later edition it had to apologise for jumping the gun as the fossil turned out to be a hoax of a bird fossil stuck onto a dinosaur fossil - so much for science speculation turning out to be utterly reliable:-

      Before we look at one statement, here is the entire article >> ORIGINS OF THE UNIVERSE EXPLAINED

      "Here’s the theory: In the first 10^-43 seconds of its existence, the universe was very compact, less than a million billion billionth the size of a single atom. It's thought that at such an incomprehensibly dense, energetic state, the four fundamental forces—gravity, electromagnetism, and the strong and weak nuclear forces—were forged into a single force, but our current theories haven't yet figured out how a single, unified force would work. To pull this off, we'd need to know how gravity works on the subatomic scale, but we currently don't".

      Given that in this short paragraph we have:-

      * Here's the theory
      * It's thought that..
      * but our current theories haven't yet figured out how a single, unified force would work.
      * we'd need to know how gravity works on the subatomic scale, but we currently don't".

      So your "absolutely ****ing true" is hanging on so much uncertainties that I fail to see how any honest individual - scientist or not - could claim it to be an absolute?
      Yes, I like what I read. I am absolutely ficking sure, maybe they have to be careful with how they choose to feel about it.

      Doesn't your story go back 6000 years? There is proof of humans well before that.

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      • Re: Christmas

        Originally posted by dembethewarrior View Post
        Yes, I like what I read. I am absolutely ficking sure, maybe they have to be careful with how they choose to feel about it.

        Doesn't your story go back 6000 years? There is proof of humans well before that.
        Can you explain that first sentence please? (choose to feel about it)

        The Bible account to Adam does go back just over 6000 years. So to PROVE it incorrect (no scientific FEELINGS or 'we believe that...' statements) go and get your proof

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        • Re: Christmas

          Originally posted by truthpaste View Post
          Can you explain that first sentence please? (choose to feel about it)

          The Bible account to Adam does go back just over 6000 years. So to PROVE it incorrect (no scientific FEELINGS or 'we believe that...' statements) go and get your proof
          Yes, I like what science says about the big bang. I agree.

          So.your account goes back 6000 years, that's when it all started? I've not been one in this thread to jump on the bibles back fella, so I won't need to disprove what I haven't claimed is drivel, cheers.

          Humans have walked the earth for 100s of thousands of years. 360,000 to be a little more on the dot.



          Some trees are 5000 years old.. then there's this

          "A clonal colony can survive for much longer than an individual tree. A colony of 48,000*quaking aspen*trees (nicknamed*Pando), covering 106 acres (43*ha) in the*Fishlake National Forest*of*Utah, is considered one of the oldest and largest organisms in the world. Recent estimates set the colony's age at several thousand (up to 14,000)*"

          Double your bible in one colony of trees. Who knew.

          Shall we get into really big numbers with dinosaurs or don't you want all them 0s?

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          • Re: Christmas

            The Earth is categorically 4.5 billion years old. They’re couldn’t be much more proof.

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            • Re: Christmas

              Originally posted by Croesy Blue View Post
              The Earth is categorically 4.5 billion years old. They’re couldn’t be much more proof.
              I think I scared him off.

              I know not everyone lives online, but when you post a reply like he did you generally stick around for the reply..he thought he had me

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              • Re: Christmas

                Originally posted by dembethewarrior View Post
                I think I scared him off.

                I know not everyone lives online, but when you post a reply like he did you generally stick around for the reply..he thought he had me
                I had an online meeting. It happens.

                What hasn't happened is ANYONE providing a source for their 'silver bullet' fact.

                Take your time. See you tomorrow, God willing.

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                • Re: Christmas

                  Originally posted by truthpaste View Post
                  I had an online meeting. It happens.

                  What hasn't happened is ANYONE providing a source for their 'silver bullet' fact.

                  Take your time. See you tomorrow, God willing.
                  Trees humans and dinosaurs all older than 6000 years.

                  That's 3.

                  Water in the oceans 3.8 billion years old. There's even more 0s.

                  I don't really see the point in replying to you anymore, you don't reply to anything put to you either.

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                  • Re: Christmas

                    Originally posted by truthpaste View Post
                    What hasn't happened is ANYONE providing a source for their 'silver bullet' fact.
                    Where’s your proof the world is 6000 years old ��

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                    • Re: Christmas

                      Originally posted by Canton Kev View Post
                      Where’s your proof the world is 6000 years old ��
                      Slim pickings

                      For those who think it's easier to annoy you than to Google 'Proof the earth is 6000 years old' themselves.

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                      • Re: Christmas

                        Originally posted by Canton Kev View Post
                        Where’s your proof the world is 6000 years old ��
                        As Manuel said on Fawlty Towers - I read it in a book

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                        • Re: Christmas

                          Originally posted by truthpaste View Post
                          I had an online meeting. It happens.

                          What hasn't happened is ANYONE providing a source for their 'silver bullet' fact.

                          Take your time. See you tomorrow, God willing.
                          You can carbon date it, I’ve done similar when studying, it’s not a difficult thing to do.

                          The thing is it’s pointless debating because you’ll just say it’s a test from god. Who plants dinosaur fossils and cross shaped proteins but won’t stop babies being born with aids or kids from dying of cancer.

                          Even if it was real who’d want to worship that.

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                          • Re: Christmas

                            Therer is an undeniable fat that there are many religions past and present, all maintained they are/were the only truth.
                            It is impossible for them all to be correct.

                            It is possible, or should I say probable, that they are/were all WRONG

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                            • Re: Christmas

                              Originally posted by truthpaste View Post
                              I had an online meeting. It happens.

                              What hasn't happened is ANYONE providing a source for their 'silver bullet' fact.

                              Take your time. See you tomorrow, God willing.
                              I'm getting the impression that if no-one can come up with a definitive explanation for the origin of the universe and life itself (with witnesses) then that would make your theistic beliefs fact? Have I misread this?

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                              • Re: Christmas

                                Originally posted by truthpaste View Post
                                Given that in this short paragraph we have:-

                                * Here's the theory
                                * It's thought that..
                                * but our current theories haven't yet figured out how a single, unified force would work.
                                * we'd need to know how gravity works on the subatomic scale, but we currently don't".

                                So your "absolutely ****ing true" is hanging on so much uncertainties that I fail to see how any honest individual - scientist or not - could claim it to be an absolute?
                                To be clear on one point, I believe the way word theory is used in science is a bit different to our common, everyday parlance.

                                In science, a theory is used to explain the how or why. Even when this can be clearly observed, measured and tested. So even if we knew how gravity works on a sub atomic scale this would still remain a theory.

                                So a scientific theory isn’t a prior stage before establishing a fact, it’s something different altogether. Sometimes science can be dismissed as merely a ‘theory’ and so equal in credibility to any other speculation, but this really confuses how the word theory is used in a scientific context.

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