The Miners Strike

[Tuerto]

Re: The Miners Strike

Where does Scargill 8 million wealth fit into the US and them

Are you Greenslade or Maxwell?

[pomeroy]

Re: The Miners Strike

Yeah, but Scargill was correct, as shown in the documents in 2016. Thatcher and Mac gregor lied through their teeth about pit closures and the police were instructed to attack miners and criminalise them for picketing. It was an attack on the working class.

You obviously haven’t followed the thread. You are deluded in thinking that Scargill gave a toss about pit closures. Pit closures, which would have happened anyway and did under a Labour Govt., were merely a false premise veiling his tactically inept grab for power. Scargill himself criminalised picketing and made it illegal by not having a democratic secret ballot of his members, which he was advised upon by some of his sidekicks as something he would lose. If this idiot had called a ballot prior to striking there would have been a lot more public support instead of as it turned out practically none.

[Jordi Culé]

Re: The Miners Strike

No point me getting involved. I'm a staunch paid up member of the tory party.
And come from a council house up the valleys.
Thank fack thatcher closed the mines
A. Lots of us youngsters could have ended up down there.
B. The snowflake where there's a blame there's a claim culture would have wiped the floor with compensation.

And I also hate socialism.
I've worked bloody hard for my money , the more of it I get to keep the better.
Fack the feckless

The worst parody profile on here by far.

[Tuerto]

Re: The Miners Strike

You obviously haven’t followed the thread. You are deluded in thinking that Scargill gave a toss about pit closures. Pit closures, which would have happened anyway and did under a Labour Govt., were merely a false premise veiling his tactically inept grab for power. Scargill himself criminalised picketing and made it illegal by not having a democratic secret ballot of his members, which he was advised upon by some of his sidekicks as something he would lose. If this idiot had called a ballot prior to striking there would have been a lot more public support instead of as it turned out practically none.

Scargill knew the truth, which has come to light. Miners were being told that there jobs were not under threat, even a letter was delivered to their houses saying so, from Macgregor. Lies, total lies. If Scargill had called a ballot then some miners would not have come out, making it easier for Thatcher to do exactly what she had set out to do. An easy ride of it so to speak. But as we know, Scargill was correct about the closures and by not calling a ballot the Government had a fight on their hands that probably wouldn't have happened due to Thatcher lying through her teeth.

There was no ballot in 1981 when Notts Miners put Thatcher on her toes concerning mass closures and there was no ballot in 1972 when nearly a million workers went on strike to support the Pentonville 5 dockers who had been jailed for resisting against anti union legislation, So, what difference would a ballot have made?

[Once U shop, U can't stop]

Re: The Miners Strike

Yeah, but Scargill was correct, as shown in the documents in 2016. Thatcher and Mac gregor lied through their teeth about pit closures and the police were instructed to attack miners and criminalise them for picketing. It was an attack on the working class.

Regrettably I have to agree that the NCB lied about pit closures. I've mentioned earlier that my relative was the Senior Deputy Chairman of the NCB and my research indicated that as the government's spokesman he undoubtedly misrepresented the plans for the coal industry.
If I could post images on here, I'd quote chapter and verse on this.

But that doesn't make Scargill a saint.

[Tuerto]

Re: The Miners Strike

Regrettably I have to agree that the NCB lied about pit closures. I've mentioned earlier that my relative was the Senior Deputy Chairman of the NCB and my research indicated that as the government's spokesman he undoubtedly misrepresented the plans for the coal industry.
If I could post images on here, I'd quote chapter and verse on this.

But that doesn't make Scargill a saint.

Lets just say that your relative was lied to as well

[Once U shop, U can't stop]

Re: The Miners Strike

That Scargill was prepared to use flying pickets says much about the man.
Sounds daring and adventurous doesn't it "Flying Pickets".
But they threatened violence and death.
"The government failed to mount a serious challenge to Arthur Scargill's flying pickets during the 1972 miners' strike because they had secret police advice that any serious attempt to break the blockade of Britain's power stations was bound to lead to violence and deaths. The government failed to mount a serious challenge to Arthur Scargill's flying pickets during the 1972 miners' strike because they had secret police advice that any serious attempt to break the blockade of Britain's power stations was bound to lead to violence and deaths. The cabinet papers confirm that the emergence for the first time in the 1972 strike of the 1,000-plus flying pickets targeting power stations and coal depots"

"Scargill's pickets had succeeded in closing the gates of the West Midlands gas board's Saltley coke depot in Birmingham, where 100,000 tonnes of coal was stockpiled, even comes through the dry prose of the official minutes. Mr Scargill had been pouring men into Saltley for six days but the climax came on February 10 when Midland engineers on 24-hour strike arrived at the gates like "Prussian columns at Waterloo" and a crowd of 7,000 outnumbered the 500 police.

"Its enforced closure represents a victory for violence against the lawful activities of the gas board and the coal merchants. This provides disturbing evidence of the ease with which, by assembling large crowds, militants could flout the law with impunity because of the risk that attempts to enforce it would provoke disorder on a large scale," the home secretary, Reginald Maudling, told the cabinet. Ministers were told that the pickets were being paid Ł2 a day by the NUM to cover travel and food."

If we focus on Scargill's use of these pickets, exactly WHY the Notts miners broke away and why Scargill didn't legalise strike action, we have a clear picture of the militant, controlling, violence-endorsing man he was.

[pomeroy]

Re: The Miners Strike

Scargill knew the truth, which has come to light. Miners were being told that there jobs were not under threat, even a letter was delivered to their houses saying so, from Macgregor. Lies, total lies. If Scargill had called a ballot then some miners would not have come out, making it easier for Thatcher to do exactly what she had set out to do. An easy ride of it so to speak. But as we know, Scargill was correct about the closures and by not calling a ballot the Government had a fight on their hands that probably wouldn't have happened due to Thatcher lying through her teeth.

There was no ballot in 1981 when Notts Miners put Thatcher on her toes concerning mass closures and there was no ballot in 1972 when nearly a million workers went on strike to support the Pentonville 5 dockers who had been jailed for resisting against anti union legislation, So, what difference would a ballot have made?

You are right, if Scargill had called a ballot then he would probably have lost. In the circumstances his tactical ineptness meant little public support for the strike and culminated in Thatcher abrogating the magnanimity of the victor and dealing with the aftermath in a ruthless way. The strikes of 1972 and 1981 did little or nothing to mitigate ant union legislation. The old adage “ politics is the art of the possible “ was not understood at all by Scargill or not wanted to be understood and therefore it is obvious to any disinterested party that his members interests were not uppermost in his mind.

[life on mars]

Re: The Miners Strike

Are you Greenslade or Maxwell?

God knows who Greenslade is , Scargill was no better than Maxwell both made millions out of ordinary working families.

Scargill was hypocritical as watched the NUM struggle after its demise while he survived in a very wealthy lifestyle, and fought court cases against them when they were down, dreadful man .

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Re: The Miners Strike

That Scargill was prepared to use flying pickets says much about the man.
Sounds daring and adventurous doesn't it "Flying Pickets".
But they threatened violence and death.
"The government failed to mount a serious challenge to Arthur Scargill's flying pickets during the 1972 miners' strike because they had secret police advice that any serious attempt to break the blockade of Britain's power stations was bound to lead to violence and deaths. The government failed to mount a serious challenge to Arthur Scargill's flying pickets during the 1972 miners' strike because they had secret police advice that any serious attempt to break the blockade of Britain's power stations was bound to lead to violence and deaths. The cabinet papers confirm that the emergence for the first time in the 1972 strike of the 1,000-plus flying pickets targeting power stations and coal depots"

"Scargill's pickets had succeeded in closing the gates of the West Midlands gas board's Saltley coke depot in Birmingham, where 100,000 tonnes of coal was stockpiled, even comes through the dry prose of the official minutes. Mr Scargill had been pouring men into Saltley for six days but the climax came on February 10 when Midland engineers on 24-hour strike arrived at the gates like "Prussian columns at Waterloo" and a crowd of 7,000 outnumbered the 500 police.

"Its enforced closure represents a victory for violence against the lawful activities of the gas board and the coal merchants. This provides disturbing evidence of the ease with which, by assembling large crowds, militants could flout the law with impunity because of the risk that attempts to enforce it would provoke disorder on a large scale," the home secretary, Reginald Maudling, told the cabinet. Ministers were told that the pickets were being paid Ł2 a day by the NUM to cover travel and food."

If we focus on Scargill's use of these pickets, exactly WHY the Notts miners broke away and why Scargill didn't legalise strike action, we have a clear picture of the militant, controlling, violence-endorsing man he was.

The alternative view is that the Notts miners were told Thatcher would look after them long before the strike so they broke away and as soon as they had been used they were dumped

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Re: The Miners Strike

You are right, if Scargill had called a ballot then he would probably have lost. In the circumstances his tactical ineptness meant little public support for the strike and culminated in Thatcher abrogating the magnanimity of the victor and dealing with the aftermath in a ruthless way. The strikes of 1972 and 1981 did little or nothing to mitigate ant union legislation. The old adage “ politics is the art of the possible “ was not understood at all by Scargill or not wanted to be understood and therefore it is obvious to any disinterested party that his members interests were not uppermost in his mind.

A lot of political analysts think scargill would have won a ballot

I have heard it said many many times

[splott parker]

Re: The Miners Strike

There was a ballot though, union delegates voted not to have a national ballot in it. Apparently ballot papers, posters & leaflets had already been printed had the vote been yes for a national ballot. Isn’t this the norm in government as well? Your MP (delegate) votes on various issues, representing you, whether you agree with him/her or not. Scargill went with the legitimate union rules that the delegates decision was honoured. Should he have gone against them? That wouldn’t have been very democratic. So to say that there was no ballot is incorrect.

[splott parker]

Re: The Miners Strike

The alternative view is that the Notts miners were told Thatcher would look after them long before the strike so they broke away and as soon as they had been used they were dumped

She dropped them like a shit house seat!!

[Tuerto]

Re: The Miners Strike

God knows who Greenslade is , Scargill was no better than Maxwell both made millions out of ordinary working families.

Scargill was hypocritical as watched the NUM struggle after its demise while he survived in a very wealthy lifestyle, and fought court cases against them when they were down, dreadful man .

Maxwell was a criminal who stole from workers pension funds. Greenslade was his chief editor for the Mirror who admitted at an inquiry that he had lied about scargill, smeared his name without an ounce of proof and apologised for lying. So, go on then, lets see the proof that scargill stole from members. Over to you.