Cancel culture

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The new wave of British comedy brought humour that wasn't about some Indian bloke down the corner shop , banana boats etc

It's pretty inclusive stuff

It just tends to show up racists , Tories and little englanders

So it's all good

[Croesy Blue]

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Mate, that seriously isn't a good joke. He's a funny man, but that is the epitome of 'punching down'. So you clearly dont have an issue with jokes that punch down despite what you said. As usual, the principle here is political. If its the right kind of punching down or offence then it's fine; basically based on your beliefs.

The last thing I would do is call for him to be cancelled. Thats the second point I'm making. He's said something really pretty offensive (and definitely quite snobby) and thats fine. I think he's a knob for it but I defend his right to do it. Others don't, they try to get them taken off bills etc.

That's the root of what we are talking about here. The inconsistency. If those that preach tolerance could show a bit more of it, then that would be a great thing.

I didn’t say I had a problem with jokes punching down, I said they had to be good and we’re harder to write.

As always you’ve not read my posts you’ve just put together a response you think fits something in your head.

The problem with comedy like this is taking it out of context of the wider show, Stewart Lee is playing a character the same as almost every stand up comedian. He’s even said he wish he’d given his stand up persona a separate name to stop the confusion. The good thing is he does have very similar political views to this character but wouldn’t express them this way in real life.

The same way al Murray’s pub landlord is a character but people are often too thick to see that he’s taking the piss out of people like that.

You are doing the very thing you are making up that cancel culture is. It’s actually very ironic.

[Croesy Blue]

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The new wave of British comedy brought humour that wasn't about some Indian bloke down the corner shop , banana boats etc

It's pretty inclusive stuff

It just tends to show up racists , Tories and little englanders

So it's all good

Comedy is inclusive because it takes the piss out of everyone without being actually offensive.

Almost every comedian takes the piss out of lefties but the people who are complaining in this thread see nothing out of the 2 minutes clips the dailymail post out of context to rile up the people stupid enough to watch it.

It’s why the Dave Chapelle special went ahead still because seeing something out of context of the show doesn’t work.

[Croesy Blue]

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And trumping that..

Stewart Lee, whom I used to really like, and still do like his style. Can you match this smug ignorance?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMvwNkPgwgg

This probably helped his career, yet others are chastised for far worse, and I think that's what grates really, the cutural norms are reflective of a broadly elitist position.

Just to highlight how stupid this is Stewart Lee’s whole comedy persona is basically a smug prick. How the **** can you say you like his comedy if you don’t even grasp that?

Lee's delivery utilises various onstage personae, frequently alternating between that of an outspoken liberal hero and that of a depressed failure and champagne socialist. In an ironic manner, he often criticises the audience for not being intelligent enough to understand his jokes, saying they would prefer more simplistic material,

If anything sums up cancel culture and outrage it’s James’s reaction here.

[JamesWales]

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Just to highlight how stupid this is Stewart Lee’s whole comedy persona is basically a smug prick. How the **** can you say you like his comedy if you don’t even grasp that?



If anything sums up cancel culture and outrage it’s James’s reaction here.

A day ago you were arguing that cancel culture doesn't exist, now it exists, but bizarrely is manifested in me highlighting the hypocrisy of it whilst pointing to a plainly offensive and very bigoted joke and simultaneously arguing that in no way should he be cancelled for it!

I do appreciate that like any artist they have a certain on stage persona and I do like Stewart Lee. We both know it isn't comparable to the Pub Landlord mind. I just think its worth you considering that other people absorb that kind of thing (basically being called c**ts by a very privileged and wealthy guy to a room of people laughing) and they manage to not call for him to be cancelled or prevented from working.

If we can apply the same principle across the board then the conversations about cancel culture will all disappear. Basically, within the confines of the law; live and let live

[Croesy Blue]

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Cancel culture doesn't exist but you whinging about a comedian's routine because you don't realise he's in character is the exact sort of stuff that causes people to think cancel culture exists. The same principle is applied across the board, how many actual comedians have been stopped touring because of a joke they've told?

Listen to any Steward lee interview and he equates himself to the pub landlord and wishes he'd given himself a different stage name so dopes like you would stop pearl clutching.

If I'm honest I don't think you've watched very much stand up comedy or comedy on tv in recent years if you think cancel culture exists for comedians.

[Croesy Blue]

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Be honest now James are you playing a character on here? because it's too funny otherwise. Youre like this ffs:

I think comedians should be able to joke about whatever they wants blacks, gays, jews all up for grabs or it's PC gone mad!!!!
B-b-b-but pwease don't make fun of b-b-b-brexit

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I would agree she wasn't obliterated. and if he had been a politician he would have expected to be asked questions outside those he had been asked on for. But these sort of interviews are usually meant to promote what the interviewee is doing. Look at the Graham Norton show. I enjoy it mut much of it is just a plug for what the guests are currently doing.



If Tom Cruise was on and Graham suddenly said "Now Tom I would like your views on scientology" he would get very short shrift.

The first general question about cancel culture was probably acceptable.But then she asked a second after which it was pretty obvious he wantd to get the interview back to where it was intended. She didn't take the hint and aslked a third question at w3hich point he quite rightly felt he had had enough.

I don't think he was afraid to develop any question she asked,he just didn't want to. Which is his right.

As he said at one point it is a very complex subject. If the BBC had wanted the interview to be about that they shouild have made it plain before hand

It's a trade-off. Celebs and famous people do the media rounds answering the same or silly questions through gritted teeth in order to sell their wares. They don't usually do it for the appearance fee, methinks.

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I don’t understand what your point is even?

I can see that. I'm not sure if its ignorance or purposeful.

They deserved to be punished. But it shows that cancel culture exists, which is my point.

They took it off-air because of what happened, not because people stopped watching.

I'm not that bothered as I agree they deserve to have repercussions for their actions.

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veering off slightly, look at what happened when "Life Of Brian" was released.
"It's blasphemous!" - shouted peole who hadn't actually seen it.
"People might be offended" - said people who hadn't asked if any of 'those people' actually WAS offended

veering back towards the main thread - if you can't laugh at yourself, who can you laugh at?

[Croesy Blue]

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I can see that. I'm not sure if its ignorance or purposeful.

They deserved to be punished. But it shows that cancel culture exists, which is my point.

They took it off-air because of what happened, not because people stopped watching.

I'm not that bothered as I agree they deserve to have repercussions for their actions.

This isn’t what people mean by cancel culture. They mean people being unfairly cancelled for just saying something.

Getting sacked for sexually harassing and raping people isn’t cancel culture ffs it’s just being sacked

[JamesWales]

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Cancel culture doesn't exist but you whinging about a comedian's routine because you don't realise he's in character is the exact sort of stuff that causes people to think cancel culture exists. The same principle is applied across the board, how many actual comedians have been stopped touring because of a joke they've told?

Listen to any Steward lee interview and he equates himself to the pub landlord and wishes he'd given himself a different stage name so dopes like you would stop pearl clutching.

If I'm honest I don't think you've watched very much stand up comedy or comedy on tv in recent years if you think cancel culture exists for comedians.

Oh and now we are back to cancel culture not existing! 🤣

I think to be honest it's back to my previous point; you don't think it exists because you don't experience it. But others do and others in the industry itself say it is an issue.

Maybe you should listen to them a bit. It's possible you aren't always right.

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I can see that. I'm not sure if its ignorance or purposeful.

They deserved to be punished. But it shows that cancel culture exists, which is my point.

They took it off-air because of what happened, not because people stopped watching.

I'm not that bothered as I agree they deserve to have repercussions for their actions.

The idea that someone can wank unsolicited in front of women and when they get censured for it that comes under the umbrella "cancel culture" is absolutely ludicrous. Where's the line then? Does Jimmy Saville come under cancel culture? Absolutely ridiculous statement

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This isn’t what people mean by cancel culture. They mean people being unfairly cancelled for just saying something.

Getting sacked for sexually harassing and raping people isn’t cancel culture ffs it’s just being sacked

You can't 'sack' a comedian.

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The idea that someone can wank unsolicited in front of women and when they get censured for it that comes under the umbrella "cancel culture" is absolutely ludicrous. Where's the line then? Does Jimmy Saville come under cancel culture? Absolutely ridiculous statement

Agreed.

Like I said I'm not condoning any actions all I am saying that there IS a line and people are trying to manipulate the line.

My examples are on the extreme side but i'm just giving examples.

Louis CK is still touring. People are still buying his tickets. There would be some that would say that he should never be allowed to tour again. Therefore there is cancel culture whether it's fair or not.