Izaak Davies

[Citizen's Nephew]

Re: Izaak Davies

Yeah whilst you were picking faults with a kid because he wasn’t Lionel Messi.

Genuine question JR. What did you think about Morison's comments after the Bournemouth game? Do you think it was right? Personally, I wasn't impressed with him publicly chastising Davies because I'm not a 'stick' kind of person and tend to prefer a pocketful of carrots but is there anything to be gained with that approach?

[Rjk]

Re: Izaak Davies

Genuine question JR. What did you think about Morison's comments after the Bournemouth game? Do you think it was right? Personally, I wasn't impressed with him publicly chastising Davies because I'm not a 'stick' kind of person and tend to prefer a pocketful of carrots but is there anything to be gained with that approach?

it was surprisingly harsh, and not his best interview overall but we don't know what's been said in private.

and they did know each other from the u23s so it might not have been as bad as it seemed from the outside

[J R Hartley]

Re: Izaak Davies

Genuine question JR. What did you think about Morison's comments after the Bournemouth game? Do you think it was right? Personally, I wasn't impressed with him publicly chastising Davies because I'm not a 'stick' kind of person and tend to prefer a pocketful of carrots but is there anything to be gained with that approach?

Disgraceful comments. Davies has played a handful of games, mostly positive, didn’t need a public slating like that. If he was a player who needed a kick up the backside like Bacuna then could understand it but a young kid, just starting out? Absolutely no need. If Morison has got any ambition of having a management career he’s going to need to improve his man management skills.

I’ve heard Morison go after 4 players, all youngsters. Haven’t seen him dig any senior players out like he’s dug out Davies, Zimba and Evans.

[J R Hartley]

Re: Izaak Davies

it was surprisingly harsh, and not his best interview overall but we don't know what's been said in private.

Regardless of what was said in private, to do that to a young kid just staring out who’s only played what 4/5 first team games? Completely and utterly wrong.

The language used was appalling

[Rjk]

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Regardless of what was said in private, to do that to a young kid just staring out who’s only played what 4/5 first team games? Completely and utterly wrong.

The language used was appalling

could be exactly what he needed, maybe Morison has high expectations of him because he knows how good he could be

[J R Hartley]

Re: Izaak Davies

could be exactly what he needed, maybe Morison has high expectations of him because he knows how good he could be

Yeah, telling the media that some kid who’s just breaking through isn’t good enough and that he was a “hinderance” because he couldn’t change the game with 10 men against the league leaders. A game he admitted was already gone when Bacuna got sent off. Must be exactly what Davies wanted to hear.

Straight out of the Alex Ferguson playbook that one.

[Citizen's Nephew]

Re: Izaak Davies

Disgraceful comments. Davies has played a handful of games, mostly positive, didn’t need a public slating like that. If he was player who needed a kick up the backside like Bacuna then could understand it but a young kid, just starting out? Absolutely no need. If Morison has got any ambition of having a management career he’s going to need to improve his man management skills.

I’ve heard Morison go after 4 players, all youngsters. Haven’t seen him dig any senior players out like he’s dug out Davies, Zimba and Evans.

Yes, I'm with you. We're not 20th because of him or any of the younger players. I also agree with the man-management comment. I hope Morison knows the lad well enough and that it doesn't stifle his playing style. I think he's good enough to start and love watching him play and think he's a player that will thrive the more he's on the park and not on the bench.

[J R Hartley]

Re: Izaak Davies

Yes, I'm with you. We're not 20th because of him or any of the younger players. I also agree with the man-management comment. I hope Morison knows the lad well enough and that it doesn't stifle his playing style. I think he's good enough to start and love watching him play and think he's a player that will thrive the more he's on the park and not on the bench.

Davies was at Cardiff many years before Steve Morison and hopefully many years after. If he does turn around to do well for Cardiff it will be because he’s been with the club since he’s 7 years old and working towards being a pro footballer most of his young life and not because of some ridiculous interview that some prick who can’t take any criticism gave to throw someone else under the bus.

[Rjk]

Re: Izaak Davies

Yeah, telling the media that some kid who’s just breaking through isn’t good enough and that he was a “hinderance” because he couldn’t change the game with 10 men against the league leaders. A game he admitted was already gone when Bacuna got sent off. Must be exactly what Davies wanted to hear.

Straight out of the Alex Ferguson playbook that one.

i didn't take it that he said he isn't good enough, just his performance that particular day wasn't good enough I'm sure he still has high hopes for him or he wouldn't have put him straight back in the next match.

it isn't the managerial style I tend to use, I like to be more encouraging, bit when I think back to early in my career I'd say that the times I was chewed out probably had a bigger positive effect on my future performance than the times I was praised and encouraged.

maybe he did get it completely wrong, but it is difficult to say with certainty from the outside.

[Citizen's Nephew]

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i didn't take it that he said he isn't good enough, just his performance that particular day wasn't good enough I'm sure he still has high hopes for him or he wouldn't have put him straight back in the next match.

it isn't the managerial style I tend to use, I like to be more encouraging, bit when I think back to early in my career I'd say that the times I was chewed out probably had a bigger positive effect on my future performance than the times I was praised and encouraged.

maybe he did get it completely wrong, but it is difficult to say with certainty from the outside.

It's interesting that you say that. There are certain times in my previous life (you know what I mean) where fear played its part but I'd say that overall, encouragement, praise, and constructive feedback have always trumped the stick. The thing is, we tend to remember the stick and forget the carrot so hindsight and our memory recollection tend to be unreliable. Bloody hell, I need to go to bed. Been a long day!

[Citizen's Nephew]

Re: Izaak Davies

Davies was at Cardiff many years before Steve Morison and hopefully many years after. If he does turn around to do well for Cardiff it will be because he’s been with the club since he’s 7 years old and working towards being a pro footballer most of his young life and not because of some ridiculous interview that some prick who can’t take any criticism gave to throw someone else under the bus.

I've read your posts about his granddad (I think) and it sounds like Isaak is a lovely lad from a supportive family who are CCFC through and through.

[the other bob wilson]

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It’s often said these days that the most important part of a football manager’s job is “man management” - knowing which players benefit from the carrot treatment and which ones need the stick. I’d say it’s a truism that current thinking is that the majority of younger players benefit more from the carrot than the stick, but, of course, there will be some younger players for which that is not true.

On the subject of Isaak Davies, I can remember Steve Morison saying after an under 23 match where he’d scored twice that he should have had a hat trick. This surprised me a little at the time, but I took it to be an attempt to keep a teenage player’s feet on the ground after he had done well in a game. Why it surprised me is that it struck me more as the sort of thing you’d say to someone in a one to one situation and that’s the thing that I don’t think has been concentrated on enough here - what happened was not just stick, it was a stick wielded in public for tens (possibly hundreds) of thousands of Cardiff fans to hear.

As I mentioned a few days ago, I can only think of Dave Jones’ public criticism of Adam Matthews to compare to it, but this was worse because Davies was a sub who was subbed, something which, more often than not, is humiliating for the player concerned.

In my job as a Trade Mark Examiner, there would be weekly meetings where about twenty members of staff would discuss accepted Trade Mark cases about to be published in a journal. Most of the cases discussed were judgement calls where sometimes senior officers decided someone like me had maybe gone the wrong side of the line in allowing it. On very rare occasions, someone would make a howler of a decision which was completely wrong, but, even then, there was no talk of the type you heard from Morison about Davies. Thankfully, I never made such a mistake, but it was still an uncomfortable experience to be told that I probably shouldn’t have allowed a particular mark to go ahead - especially when I happened to be attending the meeting where it was discussed.

Of course, all of this is as nothing compared to what Isaak Davies experienced after the Bournemouth match - the more I think about it, the worse what Morison did gets and, having been quite in favour of him getting the job on a longer basis based on his work over the past three months, I now find myself starting to believe we should look elsewhere.

On Sunday, I thought Isaak was one of a few City players who made wrong decisions when there were half chances to get a winning goal, but, honestly, is it any wonder after what happened to him in the previous game? Can anyone on here say with hand on heart that they would have benefited from being hung out to dry in public like Isaak was? Speaking for myself, it would have set me back an awful lot if I was trying to make it in the game and my manager had done what Morison did.

[J R Hartley]

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I've read your posts about his granddad (I think) and it sounds like Isaak is a lovely lad from a supportive family who are CCFC through and through.

I know his dad being from Merthyr but don’t know the lad, hear he’s a lovely lad too, certainly not a big time Charlie who would need bringing down a peg or two.

Reading Twitter it seems Danny Gabbidon is a big fan.

[Rjk]

Re: Izaak Davies

It’s often said these days that the most important part of a football manager’s job is “man management” - knowing which players benefit from the carrot treatment and which ones need the stick. I’d say it’s a truism that current thinking is that the majority of younger players benefit more from the carrot than the stick, but, of course, there will be some younger players for which that is not true.

On the subject of Isaak Davies, I can remember Steve Morison saying after an under 23 match where he’d scored twice that he should have had a hat trick. This surprised me a little at the time, but I took it to be an attempt to keep a teenage player’s feet on the ground after he had done well in a game. Why it surprised me is that it struck me more as the sort of thing you’d say to someone in a one to one situation and that’s the thing that I don’t think has been concentrated on enough here - what happened was not just stick, it was a stick wielded in public for tens (possibly hundreds) of thousands of Cardiff fans to hear.

As I mentioned a few days ago, I can only think of Dave Jones’ public criticism of Adam Matthews to compare to it, but this was worse because Davies was a sub who was subbed, something which, more often than not, is humiliating for the player concerned.

In my job as a Trade Mark Examiner, there would be weekly meetings where about twenty members of staff would discuss accepted Trade Mark cases about to be published in a journal. Most of the cases discussed were judgement calls where sometimes senior officers decided someone like me had maybe gone the wrong side of the line in allowing it. On very rare occasions, someone would make a howler of a decision which was completely wrong, but, even then, there was no talk of the type you heard from Morison about Davies. Thankfully, I never made such a mistake, but it was still an uncomfortable experience to be told that I probably shouldn’t have allowed a particular mark to go ahead - especially when I happened to be attending the meeting where it was discussed.

Of course, all of this is as nothing compared to what Isaak Davies experienced after the Bournemouth match - the more I think about it, the worse what Morison did gets and, having been quite in favour of him getting the job on a longer basis based on his work over the past three months, I now find myself starting to believe we should look elsewhere.

On Sunday, I thought Isaak was one of a few City players who made wrong decisions when there were half chances to get a winning goal, but, honestly, is it any wonder after what happened to him in the previous game? Can anyone on here say with hand on heart that they would have benefited from being hung out to dry in public like Isaak was? Speaking for myself, it would have set me back an awful lot if I was trying to make it in the game and my manager had done what Morison did.

I wouldn't read that much into the performance on Sunday, he was only on for a few minutes and was getting a feel for how to play against their center backs. he came off second best in a couple of tussles but there is no shame in that

[City123]

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Davies was at Cardiff many years before Steve Morison and hopefully many years after. If he does turn around to do well for Cardiff it will be because he’s been with the club since he’s 7 years old and working towards being a pro footballer most of his young life and not because of some ridiculous interview that some prick who can’t take any criticism gave to throw someone else under the bus.

Exactly the way some go on (including Morison) you'd think he was the only person responsible for these players' development. He's been at the club for what, 2 years?