Izaak Davies

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Also if we're looking at Morison's man management of youngsters, didn't he start Zimba, haul him off at half time then boot him back to the U23's for the next game and every game since?

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Also if we're looking at Morison's man management of youngsters, didn't he start Zimba, haul him off at half time then boot him back to the U23's for the next game and every game since?

He did. I support Morison but some of his comments and actions have been questionable recently. Bit surprised at how well Harris was sent back to us by Wrexham as presumably they though he wasn’t good enough.

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Also if we're looking at Morison's man management of youngsters, didn't he start Zimba, haul him off at half time then boot him back to the U23's for the next game and every game since?

And said he wasn’t good enough, lost the ball every time he had it.etc, etc

Why he needs to share this with the media I don’t know. By all means go through it with the young players, where they went wrong, what they can do better.etc it’s all part of their development but I really can’t understand why he needs to stamp his authority on them in public too. Not least because he doesn’t do it with the senior players.

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And said he wasn’t good enough, lost the ball every time he had it.etc, etc

Why he needs to share this with the media I don’t know. By all means go through it with the young players, where they went wrong, what they can do better.etc it’s all part of their development but I really can’t understand why he needs to stamp his authority on them in public too. Not least because he doesn’t do it with the senior players.

He DID start him though, I seem to recall that afterwards he said that with Moore out players such as Collins or Harris were probably expecting to start, but he put Zimba in because he thought he was the best one to play the way he wanted to play.
It wasn't really working by half time though and we needed to change the game.

From memory Zimba did struggle to get into the game, he also talked about sitting down and going through every minute of the game with him personally afterwards and im sure something along the lines of needing to get the basics right was also mentioned.

Perhaps on a personal level he's a lot more encouraging and supportive towards the youngsters.

It is very unusual, almost jarring, to hear a manager so brutally honest to the media - perhaps Mourihnio when he starts losing the plot, hopefully it doesn't mean he starts to lose the dressing room or hold back the youngsters.
The things he's said probably aren't far wrong though.

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https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/manchester-united-news-alex-ferguson-11918367.amp

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https://www.manchestereveningnews.co...n-11918367.amp

Thing is all of those were about seasoned professionals and none of the were as humiliating as "he was more of a hindrance than a help"

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Thing is all of those were about seasoned professionals and none of the were as humiliating as "he was more of a hindrance than a help"

What a awful choice of language

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https://www.manchestereveningnews.co...n-11918367.amp

Having just read those, even Ferguson's seem lame compared to Morison about Davies. I don't really care if he's doing the right thing behind the scenes. He needs to do the right thing in front of the camera/mic too.

As Delm pointed out the comments were about seasoned pros, multi-million pound seasoned pros at that.

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Having just read those, even Ferguson's seem lame compared to Morison about Davies. I don't really care if he's doing the right thing behind the scenes. He needs to do the right thing in front of the camera/mic too.

As Delm pointed out the comments were about seasoned pros, multi-million pound seasoned pros at that.

Yes I think we were all really surprised by how harsh he was, and from the outside it looks like terrible management. We don't see the whole picture though, by far the most important thing is how he interacts with them personally after this - still I hope he gets better at this side of the job if he's going to be here much longer.

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Yes I think we were all really surprised by how harsh he was, and from the outside it looks like terrible management. We don't see the whole picture though, by far the most important thing is how he interacts with them personally after this - still I hope he gets better at this side of the job if he's going to be here much longer.

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Yes I think we were all really surprised by how harsh he was, and from the outside it looks like terrible management. We don't see the whole picture though, by far the most important thing is how he interacts with them personally after this - still I hope he gets better at this side of the job if he's going to be here much longer.

I’m in the same place (or similar it seems) as you. There may be (maybe not) a lot more to it but I’m not going to quickly join a kangaroo court based on the relativey little I know.

As for the Ferguson comments on them all being ‘seasoned pro’s’… although Jonny Evans was only 22 when it happens…. then I don’t see the relevance, unless of course people become better able to deal with the mental side if things with age… I’d suggest there is plenty of evidence out there to show that that is probably not the case

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I’m in the same place (or similar it seems) as you. There may be (maybe not) a lot more to it but I’m not going to quickly join a kangaroo court based on the relativey little I know.

As for the Ferguson comments on them all being ‘seasoned pro’s’… although Jonny Evans was only 22 when it happens…. then I don’t see the relevance, unless of course people become better able to deal with the mental side if things with age… I’d suggest there is plenty of evidence out there to show that that is probably not the case

Yeah but the Jonny Evans thing was a coach shouting at a player from the sideline, not humiliating him in the press, very different in my opinion.

I do get your point about not joining a kangaroo court though, it's just I think our manager comes across as very touchy and a bit too quick to throw people under the bus for my liking

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I’ve always thought that Football Management in this country is a very difficult job.

You need control coaching, identify transfers, Man manage the players, dictate tactics and deal with the press conferences. Each of these requires a very different skills set.

Morison was brought in as to manage the U23s, which would be a pressured role, but would potentially remove the pressures of dealing with transfers and dealing with the press (to the level that he has to in the first team).

Maybe what we are seeing now is that he is being too honest when answering the direct questions at a press conference and saying it as he’s sees it, whilst then also hanging the player out to dry.

Of course we have seen many fan upset at managers who just answer with the formulaic boring answers at press conferences, these managers are seen as blinkered fools by the fan base.

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Also if we're looking at Morison's man management of youngsters, didn't he start Zimba, haul him off at half time then boot him back to the U23's for the next game and every game since?

He didn't have an impact on the game and lost the ball. "Hauled off". He was subbed mate.

In an interview not long after he said how they talked about the game and what he needed to work on etc.

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I think Davies has done enough good so far for a tough 5 minute cameo to not matter.

Agree entirely , you can see he has ability by the way he runs and moves , great prospect reminds me of a young Bellars .