Izaak Davies

[Rjk]

Re: Izaak Davies

Morison hasn't given the youth more first team game time than McCarthy.

If we discount Ciaron Brown and Mark Harris, who are both 23, the number of league starts for each of the club's young players this season is as follows (starts under McCarthy first):

9 + 0 - Joel Bagan
3 + 0 - Sam Bowen
5 + 5 - Rubin Colwill
0 + 3 - Isaak Davies
0 + 2 - Kieron Evans
6 + 10 - Mark McGuinness
3 + 0 - Tom Sang
0 + 1 - Chanka Zimba

In his last six games, it's been noticeable that Morison has been consistently selecting the older players ahead of the youngsters. Indeed, he hasn't started any of the kids in his last two games.

That is partly due to the opposition, bournemouth and west brom are two of the hardest games in the division, so we went with a more defensive minded midfield three.
Had we been playing a team where we were looking to get on the front foot then the likes of colwill, evans or Davies would have been there.
Harris is still a youngster too in my eyes

[2b2bdoo]

Re: Izaak Davies

Morison hasn't given the youth more first team game time than McCarthy.

If we discount Ciaron Brown and Mark Harris, who are both 23, the number of league starts for each of the club's young players this season is as follows (starts under McCarthy first):

9 + 0 - Joel Bagan
3 + 0 - Sam Bowen
5 + 5 - Rubin Colwill
0 + 3 - Isaak Davies
0 + 2 - Kieron Evans
6 + 10 - Mark McGuinness
3 + 0 - Tom Sang
0 + 1 - Chanka Zimba

In his last six games, it's been noticeable that Morison has been consistently selecting the older players ahead of the youngsters. Indeed, he hasn't started any of the kids in his last two games.

I think Sang, Bowen and Evans would have got more game time if fit.

[Rjk]

Re: Izaak Davies

Morison hasn't given the youth more first team game time than McCarthy.

If we discount Ciaron Brown and Mark Harris, who are both 23, the number of league starts for each of the club's young players this season is as follows (starts under McCarthy first):

9 + 0 - Joel Bagan
3 + 0 - Sam Bowen
5 + 5 - Rubin Colwill
0 + 3 - Isaak Davies
0 + 2 - Kieron Evans
6 + 10 - Mark McGuinness
3 + 0 - Tom Sang
0 + 1 - Chanka Zimba

In his last six games, it's been noticeable that Morison has been consistently selecting the older players ahead of the youngsters. Indeed, he hasn't started any of the kids in his last two games.

so it's something like :

Mick - 26 starts from 14 games

Morison - 21 starts from 10 games

I'd say theyve both been equally good at playing the youth.
and neither had much of a choice about it.

in terms of minutes l, the players you listed clocked up 2352 from 14 games for Mick and 1827 from 10 games for SM.
that's 168 youth minutes per game for MM and 183 for SM.
pretty close. I can't imagine any other Cardiff manager is getting near that.

Mick used Bagan the most at 827 minutes, whereas SM used McGuiness the most

[Rjk]

Re: Izaak Davies

so it's something like :

Mick - 26 starts from 14 games

Morison - 21 starts from 10 games

I'd say theyve both been equally good at playing the youth.
and neither had much of a choice about it.

in terms of minutes l, the players you listed clocked up 2352 from 14 games for Mick and 1827 from 10 games for SM.
that's 168 youth minutes per game for MM and 183 for SM.
pretty close. I can't imagine any other Cardiff manager is getting near that.

Mick used Bagan the most at 827 minutes, whereas SM used McGuiness the most

The other difference thinking back is it seems to me that Morison seems a little more likely to play the youth in their correct position - not shove them in at wing back.
And looking at the numbers there were more small cameos under McCarthy (partly because he made subs so bloody late) whereas longer stints under Morrison - i.e. Colwill only played 90 minutes once under Mccarthy - in his last game, whereas he's done a few 90s under morrison already.
You could certainly argue the case though that Morison has been able to use them BECAUSE McCarthy introduced them more gradually to begin with.

I can't complain about either of them in terms of giving the youth a chance, it is something we should have been doing for the last 20 years.

I'm also glad that the board was firm and decide not to bring in marley watkins too.

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Re: Izaak Davies

That is partly due to the opposition, bournemouth and west brom are two of the hardest games in the division, so we went with a more defensive minded midfield three.
Had we been playing a team where we were looking to get on the front foot then the likes of colwill, evans or Davies would have been there.
Harris is still a youngster too in my eyes

I think 23's pushing it to be considered a youngster to be honest mate, Callum Paterson apart of course

[Rjk]

Re: Izaak Davies

I think 23's pushing it to be considered a youngster to be honest mate, Callum Paterson apart of course

in fairness Harris has only been 23 for 1 week, most of those games were when he was 22

[splott parker]

Re: Izaak Davies

in fairness Harris has only been 23 for 1 week, most of those games were when he was 22

I’m 66 for two more weeks, nothing to do with Harris but gives me an opportunity to throw this in:

[J R Hartley]

Re: Izaak Davies

in fairness Harris has only been 23 for 1 week, most of those games were when he was 22

He’s been involved in the first team squad for 2 and a half seasons and has played over 30 first team games before Morison took over. He’s hardly in the same bracket as the others mentioned who either Mick or Morison gave their debuts to.

[City123]

Re: Izaak Davies

He’s been involved in the first team squad for 2 and a half seasons and has played over 30 first team games before Morison took over. He’s hardly in the same bracket as the others mentioned who either Mick or Morison gave their debuts to.

2 and a half seasons? I thought he was at Wrexham for much of 2019/20? He only really broke into the first team last season when he suddenly appeared against QPR/Luton

[J R Hartley]

Re: Izaak Davies

2 and a half seasons? I thought he was at Wrexham for much of 2019/20? He only really broke into the first team last season when he suddenly appeared against QPR/Luton

Yeah my mistake, I thought he broke in under Harris. Either way, my point still stands, he’s broken into the first team and played enough games long before Morison for him to be taking any of the credit.

[J R Hartley]

Re: Izaak Davies

I think Sang, Bowen and Evans would have got more game time if fit.

That’s up for debate. He said he “dropped” Evans for Isaac Davies. More negative language he didn’t need to use.

[Citizen's Nephew]

Re: Izaak Davies

Yeah my mistake, I thought he broke in under Harris. Either way, my point still stands, he’s broken into the first team and played enough games long before Morison for him to be taking any of the credit.

Technically, he broke in under Warnock against Fulham in the FA cup 1-2 loss at CCS in Jan 2017.

[Citizen's Nephew]

Re: Izaak Davies

Technically, he broke in under Warnock against Fulham in the FA cup 1-2 loss at CCS in Jan 2017.

He also played in The Championship that season against Wigan and Huddersfield. Who'd have thought it was Warnock? The reason I checked is I thought I was going mad because I had this vague image of watching him play and Warnock being the manager. I thought my mind was playing tricks on me.

Edit: it is because I'm now posting to myself!

[Citizen's Nephew]

Re: Izaak Davies

Mark Harris's birthday is in December so he was 18 when he played those three matches in 2017.

[J R Hartley]

Re: Izaak Davies

Mark Harris's birthday is in December so he was 18 when he played those three matches in 2017.

We must have had a lot of injuries at the time