UPDATED: Wolves recall Ryan Giles

[Rjk]

Re: Telegraph saying Wolves might recall Giles

The 3-4-3 that has us 21st with 1 clean sheet all season, and now we've lost the one player that was well suited to the formation.

It's easier for a young lad to play in a 4 at the back, too.

Yes that 3-4-3. If that's how we ultimately want to play we should be sticking with it to develop the players the way we want them to develop.
We've been playing ok recently, there's no way we are going up this season so the only remaining things that we can take from this season are to develop the playing style, bring the kids through, avoid relegation and perhaps an unlikely cup run.

We've definitely been making progress, why tear it all up at the first hurdle?

I was looking at the west brom forums last night and there were the odd compliment for us on there, especially the first half, they said we were a different side than the reverse fixture when one player said we were the worst football side he'd ever seen.

I'm confident that even without Giles we have enough to avoid the drop.
Yes he beat his man a lot yesterday and his pace is a great outlet for us, but his crossing was really bad for a change I thought.

Bagan is a different type of player, but I think he will rise to the challenge.

[2b2bdoo]

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The system hasn't worked all season, we aren't well suited to it and the only player we had that was has now gone

MM destroyed the squad, I don’t see how we have players to fit anything other than wingbacks to be honest.

[Rjk]

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MM destroyed the squad, I don’t see how we have players to fit anything other than wingbacks to be honest.

We had to cut costs, I don't really blame MM. I still blame Warnock

[Former Labour leader]

Re: UPDATED: Wolves recall Ryan Giles

Yes that 3-4-3. If that's how we ultimately want to play we should be sticking with it to develop the players the way we want them to develop.
We've been playing ok recently, there's no way we are going up this season so the only remaining things that we can take from this season are to develop the playing style, bring the kids through, avoid relegation and perhaps an unlikely cup run.

We've definitely been making progress, why tear it all up at the first hurdle?

I was looking at the west brom forums last night and there were the odd compliment for us on there, especially the first half, they said we were a different side than the reverse fixture when one player said we were the worst football side he'd ever seen.

I'm confident that even without Giles we have enough to avoid the drop.
Yes he beat his man a lot yesterday and his pace is a great outlet for us, but his crossing was really bad for a change I thought.

Bagan is a different type of player, but I think he will rise to the challenge.

I think Bagan will make the grade but we are losing the only creativity we have in the team. If it is to be Bagan, then Morison needs to pull a rabbit out of the hat, either at RWB or midfield.(is Tomlin available?).😀

[Rjk]

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I think Bagan will make the grade but we are losing the only creativity we have in the team. If it is to be Bagan, then Morison needs to pull a rabbit out of the hat, either at RWB or midfield.(is Tomlin available?).��

Yes, imagine the difference a fit and on form tomlin or a harry wilson would make to this side going forward. Giles had been a great outlet for us, but now we just have to find another way.
I do wonder if Liverpool would let Nico Williams go on loan though.

[2b2bdoo]

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We had to cut costs, I don't really blame MM. I still blame Warnock

Yes we had to make cut backs and Warnock takes his fair share of the blame but MM left us with no width at all and in the squad and the brought in a midfielder to loan out. I think another manager even Warnock would have made more of an effort to get players out on loan and other back in positions we needed.

[Rjk]

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Yes we had to make cut backs and Warnock takes his fair share of the blame but MM left us with no width at all and in the squad and the brought in a midfielder to loan out. I think another manager even Warnock would have made more of an effort to get players out on loan and other back in positions we needed.

We were playing a system where the wingbacks provide the width - we had Giles and Bagan on the left and Ng and Sang on the right,
OK MM did lose the plot when we went on a bad run and he started to play centre backs out there, but if we had players like murphy still here we would need to play him as a striker or a number 10 in this system, and Im not sure that's his game.

[life on mars]

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Bagan it is then.

Why not if we invest in him perhaps he will develop, I'm all for local lads getting thier chance . We need to be patient with these lads and encourage them , perhaps closed door home games may also help him ?

[jon1959]

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Why not if we invest in him perhaps he will develop, I'm all for local lads getting thier chance . We need to be patient with these lads and encourage them , perhaps closed door home games may also help him ?

Bagan is part Scot, part Irish, born in Basingstoke and brought up through the Southampton Academy.

Hardly local even though he has been at Cardiff for over 3 years.

But he is a Cardiff Academy product too - and the rest of your post is 100% right.

[PontBlue]

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Neil Taylor as a short term option?

[2b2bdoo]

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We were playing a system where the wingbacks provide the width - we had Giles and Bagan on the left and Ng and Sang on the right,
OK MM did lose the plot when we went on a bad run and he started to play centre backs out there, but if we had players like murphy still here we would need to play him as a striker or a number 10 in this system, and Im not sure that's his game.

MM would never have played Giles at wingback he was far to cautious. It was brown or Bagan.
The issue was that he put everything on wingbacks working, we had no options to change it from the start or from the bench.

I still think Whyte would be useful as a wingback. Issue is squad needs so much now and we have little to no money to try and fix it. Morison is going to have to be clever.

[Rjk]

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Neil Taylor as a short term option?

please no

[Dave Blue]

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Wolves refer to his good assists record when he played further forward. Personally I think playing him as a wing back held him back and reduced his ability to create chances for us.

[EastbourneBlue]

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Telegraph saying Wolves might recall Giles

Oh good. :facepalm:

Let's hope Wolves find a few quid and can strengthen.

Reckon he might come back if Wolves get knocked out of cup. Come on swans!

[Pedro de la Rosa]

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Yes that 3-4-3. If that's how we ultimately want to play we should be sticking with it to develop the players the way we want them to develop.
We've been playing ok recently, there's no way we are going up this season so the only remaining things that we can take from this season are to develop the playing style, bring the kids through, avoid relegation and perhaps an unlikely cup run.

We've definitely been making progress, why tear it all up at the first hurdle?

I was looking at the west brom forums last night and there were the odd compliment for us on there, especially the first half, they said we were a different side than the reverse fixture when one player said we were the worst football side he'd ever seen.

I'm confident that even without Giles we have enough to avoid the drop.
Yes he beat his man a lot yesterday and his pace is a great outlet for us, but his crossing was really bad for a change I thought.

Bagan is a different type of player, but I think he will rise to the challenge.

We have to play this formation as we don't have a senior left back, and Bagan is the only other option.

Giles was our only outlet. We have zero pace in the side. Bagan and Ng aren't good enough going forwards to be wing backs, especially when our midfield is as pedestrian as it is. It also doesn't suit any of our centre halves, perhaps only Flint. I absolutely hate this formation, we've been bloody dreadful in it.

We also are playing better but in terms of results, it isn't that outstanding. I'm pretty sure we can play good football in a back 4. Especially when Nelson can't pass water, we're trying to play possession football with centre halves that aren't capable of doing so. We can also be hard to beat. Most teams play 3 up front, so with a back 4 you should have a spare man. It can be difficult in a 3/5, especially when centre halves are getting dragged out wide.