Tommy Doyle

[Pedro de la Rosa]

Re: Tommy Doyle

have you factored in the probability that he might look a lot better playing for a top 6 side than he does for us?

Not sure he’d walk in any side though. Take Sheff Utd, they’ve got Fleck, Norwood, Berge and MGW. Fulham, no chance. Bournemouth, possibly? He’s a good player but he’s not that good (yet).

[Tuerto]

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have you factored in the probability that he might look a lot better playing for a top 6 side than he does for us?

Does that theory work for all footballers. Would Kieffer Moore score more goals if he played for Liverpool?

[Rjk]

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Does that theory work for all footballers. Would Kieffer Moore score more goals if he played for Liverpool?

if he played for liverpool against championship teams, yes

[dml1954]

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Am I the only one not signed up to the Tommy Doyle fan club ? A couple of good moments last week but he seems anonymous for most of the games I've seen him play.

Him and Wintle have totally changed our midfield for the better.

[A Quiet Monkfish]

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Him and Wintle have totally changed our midfield for the better.

Wintle, I like.

[Tuerto]

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if he played for liverpool against championship teams, yes

Good answer :hehe: My point is that Kieffer Moore, and Tommy Doyle would have to think as quickly as the better players around them, in terms of movement, positional sense, anticipation etc. I'm not saying that they couldn't do it, but it's not a given that they could.

[dembethewarrior]

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That's the rub, Eric. You're bang on in my opinion. We haven't had a midfield player with the ability to look up, play a pass and follow it since, since......? Doyle is assertive on the ball, everything is about getting the ball forward, and at pace, you can see that he has been coached at a club who play that way. He's attempting to play the game in the correct way, to many of our fans, he looks like some kind of footballing revolutionary, he isn't, not yet, maybe never. It just shows us how starved of a decent assertive midfielder we as fans have been for so many years. I do like him though.

Plenty of cardiff fans that have not seen this type of player for us have seen eed them for plenty of other teams though.. be it in our league or through the many games on TV these days..

Yes he stands out because of what we've been missing in the team, but I also think he's decent at what he's been brought in to do as well

[Citizen's Nephew]

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Wintle, I like.

Me too.

Doyle is OK...ish. With our possession stats plummeting though, who needs a midfield?

[goats]

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Wintle, I like.

Wintle, Ralls and Doyle would be the best midfield we’ve had for sometime I think….

[PhyllisStant]

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I think what has certainly helped him (and probably Wintle) is coming in fresh and not have the fear/ baggage/ terrible coaching that the rest our our squad had. Confidence and a bit of arrogance are a big asset too IMO.

[North Cardiff Blue]

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Not sure he’d walk in any side though. Take Sheff Utd, they’ve got Fleck, Norwood, Berge and MGW. Fulham, no chance. Bournemouth, possibly? He’s a good player but he’s not that good (yet).

I think he'd thrive at Fulham, they'd play him ahead of Nobby Reid surely?

With better players you'd see how good he is, he'd be brilliant with Mitrovich and Wilson.

[North Cardiff Blue]

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Wintle, I like.

Brilliant player, how much better does our shaky defence look, and that's without Morrison!

[North Cardiff Blue]

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Wintle, Ralls and Doyle would be the best midfield we’ve had for sometime I think….

Agreed !

[Eric the Half a Bee]

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Just had a look at his stats on whoscored. Yes, they don't always tell the whole story but they suggest he's a player who gives it a go but has a long way to go in terms of accuracy.

He has a below average pass success rate, not very good cross and set piece success rate, has more unsuccessful touches than most of our midfield and has a high percentage of shots off target. Yet he still has a goal and an assist, is not easily dispossessed and does well with key passes (whatever they are).

I think much of that is due to him being a player who looks to make things happen. He'll try a shot or pass that others wouldn't. Without doubt he has added a dimension to our midfield that wasn't there before and he's learning the game.

[Rjk]

Re: Tommy Doyle

Just had a look at his stats on whoscored. Yes, they don't always tell the whole story but they suggest he's a player who gives it a go but has a long way to go in terms of accuracy.

He has a below average pass success rate, not very good cross and set piece success rate, has more unsuccessful touches than most of our midfield and has a high percentage of shots off target. Yet he still has a goal and an assist, is not easily dispossessed and does well with key passes (whatever they are).

I think much of that is due to him being a player who looks to make things happen. He'll try a shot or pass that others wouldn't. Without doubt he has added a dimension to our midfield that wasn't there before and he's learning the game.

There was a site that someone linked to on here called EFL analysis that had some interesting breakdowns of recent matches, but sadly it seems to have stopped being updated in late November.

It showed amongst other things, the xT or expected threat for each player for each game, and also broke it down to show xT generated and xT lost by each player broken down to dribbles and passes.

xT is a measure of how much an on field action improves your team's chances of scoring - by looking at your chances of scoring before and after the action.

So if you dribble past a defender - increase in xT.
If you thread a pass to a player in a good position, increase in xT
If you try to dribble and lose the ball - decrease in xT
If you delay your pass too long and the defence can reset - decrease in xT etc etc
(here's a nice little blog post about it)

https://karun.in/blog/expected-threat.html

I suspect that Doyle would have high positive AND high negative xT (they often go hand in hand) and you need to have a couple of players like that in your side, or you just become too predictable.