Tommy Doyle

[NYCBlue]

Re: Tommy Doyle

Faux negativity. Nice. That's a new one.

I'm going to take a wild guess and say you reckon Doyle has thus far been remarkable/sensational/incredible (delete as applicable). But then your faux positivity amuses me.

Personally, I think Cody Drameh has been the stand-out loan signing. It's easy to see why Leeds bought him out of the Fulham academy, gave him a four-year contract and had him in and around their first team this season. He's almost exactly the same age as Doyle but looks to me to be a fair bit further down the road in terms of development. I'm really impressed with him.

I think everyone would agree Cody Dramah has been the stand-out. But I think it's a given that we can't sign him. Doyle seems somewhat plausible.

[dembethewarrior]

Re: Tommy Doyle

TBH I wouldn't give a camel's connection. But your faux negativity amuses me.

He said he was shit based in appearances for hamburg. He's got to keep it up now.

Only a goal and an assist every other game will, possibly, change his mind. Even then we'll get stats on missed passes.

[dembethewarrior]

Re: Tommy Doyle

He does. He's not perfect, but I'd be very pleased if we could sign him permanently.

I'd take that, maybe a step yoo far for us but failing that I'd love him on another season long loan.

[the other bob wilson]

Re: Tommy Doyle

That was City's midfield against a Derby team who were struggling for confidence.
They were awful - especially in the first half.
Couldn't make a pass and were completely over-run.
I'd say they are lightweight and struggle to impose themselves on the opposition midfield.

“lightweight”? I despair. After a decade of boring and pretty unsuccessful power based “football” from Cardiff City, you think the answer to us not having enough of the ball (hardly a new phenomenon with our team) is more power!

[Cyclops]

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“lightweight”? I despair. After a decade of boring and pretty unsuccessful power based “football” from Cardiff City, you think the answer to us not having enough of the ball (hardly a new phenomenon with our team) is more power!

Yep.
Once again, against a Derby side who were lacking in confidence after a poor run, City had around 36% possession. During the first half, the midfield couldn't keep the ball and couldn't pass to a man in blue.
If one was to judge from the number of times players are mentioned in commentary, during the first 45 minutes, you wouldn't have known Wintle and Doyle were playing.
"After a decade of boring and pretty unsuccessful power based “football” from Cardiff City...' Are you for real? Two promotions from the Championship in the last decade! Unsuccessful! Teams like Derby would give their right legs for that record.
If you were to ask City fans for the best five midfielders over the last decade the list would probably include Medel, Whittingham, Gunnarsson, Mutch and Grujic. Why them? What were their qualities? Do you really think Wintle and Doyle are in the same class as them? And if not, why not?
This is a club who have just given a new contract to a player who was securely tucked in the pocket of two average-but-strong centre backs the whole time he was on the pitch on Tuesday.
I despair at how fans like you, and the clubs management are saying that the present quality of the team (largely loanees who can't get into their own teams; players who were not wanted by City and loaned out and inexperienced lads who have come through the youth system) is acceptable.
City's immediate future is in the doldrums.

[Hilts]

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“lightweight”? I despair. After a decade of boring and pretty unsuccessful power based “football” from Cardiff City, you think the answer to us not having enough of the ball (hardly a new phenomenon with our team) is more power!

That decade produced the 2nd best and 2nd most successful City side ive seen. Behind Malkys.

[the other bob wilson]

Re: Tommy Doyle

That decade produced the 2nd best and 2nd most successful City side ive seen. Behind Malkys.

And you think a promotion, followed by an immediate relegation, justifies a decade of crap, muscle bound football?

[the other bob wilson]

Re: Tommy Doyle

Yep.
Once again, against a Derby side who were lacking in confidence after a poor run, City had around 36% possession. During the first half, the midfield couldn't keep the ball and couldn't pass to a man in blue.
If one was to judge from the number of times players are mentioned in commentary, during the first 45 minutes, you wouldn't have known Wintle and Doyle were playing.
"After a decade of boring and pretty unsuccessful power based “football” from Cardiff City...' Are you for real? Two promotions from the Championship in the last decade! Unsuccessful! Teams like Derby would give their right legs for that record.
If you were to ask City fans for the best five midfielders over the last decade the list would probably include Medel, Whittingham, Gunnarsson, Mutch and Grujic. Why them? What were their qualities? Do you really think Wintle and Doyle are in the same class as them? And if not, why not?
This is a club who have just given a new contract to a player who was securely tucked in the pocket of two average-but-strong centre backs the whole time he was on the pitch on Tuesday.
I despair at how fans like you, and the clubs management are saying that the present quality of the team (largely loanees who can't get into their own teams; players who were not wanted by City and loaned out and inexperienced lads who have come through the youth system) is acceptable.
City's immediate future is in the doldrums.

No, I think Wintle on Doyle are a big improvement from the days of the Vaulks, Pack, Bacuna, Ralls quartet which consigned us to playing only one way. There is a need for realism from fans in that we’re now a cash strapped club with some reliance on our youth policy to put out a competitive team. Sides like Coventry, Huddersfield, Luton and Preston are prospering on smaller budgets than ours while tending to play a more enjoyable brand of football - we have weaknesses all over the pitch presently, but what we aren’t is too lightweight.

[Hilts]

Re: Tommy Doyle

And you think a promotion, followed by an immediate relegation, justifies a decade of crap, muscle bound football?

It hasnt been a decade of crap muscle bound football. Theres been a large part of it though.

Under Warnock we played some decent football in the final 3rd. The beginning of the promotion season we played some great stuff.

We got relegated but were far from disgraced and played again some decent football.

Weve been a direct side for longer than a decade as well. We were not a possession based team under Dave Jones either.

[the other bob wilson]

Re: Tommy Doyle

It hasnt been a decade of crap muscle bound football. Theres been a large part of it though.

Under Warnock we played some decent football in the final 3rd. The beginning of the promotion season we played some great stuff.

We got relegated but were far from disgraced and played again some decent football.

Weve been a direct side for longer than a decade as well. We were not a possession based team under Dave Jones either.

We played skilful footballer under Dave Jones without a team full of “bread and butter” midfielders. I’m not denying that we played some good stuff under Warnock at times, but it was all during the period when we had a centre forward who, for a brief period, was virtually unplayable at this level - we reverted to normal as soon as Zohore became a mere mortal again.

[Madlock]

Re: Tommy Doyle

That was City's midfield against a Derby team who were struggling for confidence.
They were awful - especially in the first half.
Couldn't make a pass and were completely over-run.
I'd say they are lightweight and struggle to impose themselves on the opposition midfield.

Yes, that was a pretty poor performance from the midfield as a unit. Ceded plenty of possession to Derby. But, bare in mind that there was a illness that plenty in the team were recovering from, that may explain the dip a bit. Certainly, the performance against Forest at home shows what that midfield is capable of.

[Cyclops]

Re: Tommy Doyle

No, I think Wintle on Doyle are a big improvement from the days of the Vaulks, Pack, Bacuna, Ralls quartet which consigned us to playing only one way. There is a need for realism from fans in that we’re now a cash strapped club with some reliance on our youth policy to put out a competitive team. Sides like Coventry, Huddersfield, Luton and Preston are prospering on smaller budgets than ours while tending to play a more enjoyable brand of football - we have weaknesses all over the pitch presently, but what we aren’t is too lightweight.

I've noticed before that City fans get dewy-eyed over the seasons watching City in the depths of the leagues, slogging away in the rain and mud in a dump of a stadium and hankering after those 'good old days'.
It's almost like they enjoy wallowing in watching poor quality football - even having an inferiority complex, not really wanting to watch their team in the big time.
It's such a shame. When I started watching City they were an old first division team. It's time fans held their heads up and didn't accept the terrible football that's now on display and demanded the standard which should be served up in a city that could support Premiership football.
Not lightweight? Take Flint out of the team, and City are powder puffs. They used to be feared for what they brought to games. Not anymore. The result is flirting with relegation and a dour immediate future.

[the other bob wilson]

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I've noticed before that City fans get dewy-eyed over the seasons watching City in the depths of the leagues, slogging away in the rain and mud in a dump of a stadium and hankering after those 'good old days'.
It's almost like they enjoy wallowing in watching poor quality football - even having an inferiority complex, not really wanting to watch their team in the big time.
It's such a shame. When I started watching City they were an old first division team. It's time fans held their heads up and didn't accept the terrible football that's now on display and demanded the standard which should be served up in a city that could support Premiership football.
Not lightweight? Take Flint out of the team, and City are powder puffs. They used to be feared for what they brought to games. Not anymore. The result is flirting with relegation and a dour immediate future.

You read what I've been writing for the last five years or more and tell me that I've accepted "the terrible football that's now on display" - I'm always going on, far too often in many people's minds I'm sure, about it, but I don't see us being too lightweight as a current problem. Besides Flint, we have McGuinness, Morrison, Hugill and Ikpiazu, while Vaulks, Ralls and Pack are hardly what I'd call lightweights, neither is Doyle - I accept the team that lost eight in a row was a more "heavyweight" outfit than the current one, but I'd say the introduction of more athletic and technical players such as Drameh, Doyle and Doughty has improved us as has the introduction of the technically superior Ng into the back three. It's just your use of the term lightweight I don't get.

[Cyclops]

Re: Tommy Doyle

..... the technically superior Ng into the back three. It's just your use of the term lightweight I don't get.

Is this the NG who played a slow pass across a crowded penalty area against Derby? If Derby had ANYONE with an eye for goal, they would have scored then. I know NG played the pass that led to the goal (all down to the strength of City's sub, btw) but even as a kid it was drummed into me NEVER, EVER pass ACROSS THE BOX. Sorry, but that was just rank defending.

Is this really what we are arguing about: 'Lightweight'? Davies was lightweight against Curtis Davies. Wintle is lightweight, imo. Overall, to do well in the Championship, players of strength are needed. Warnock for all his faults knew this. It's the blend of strength and skill which succedes. We are nowhere near the strength of team we had when Warnock was manager. We won all those games late into the match because we wore teams down. The present City team would be over-run by that Warnock side. Go on, tell me I'm wrong.

[Rjk]

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Is this the NG who played a slow pass across a crowded penalty area against Derby? If Derby had ANYONE with an eye for goal, they would have scored then. I know NG played the pass that led to the goal (all down to the strength of City's sub, btw) but even as a kid it was drummed into me NEVER, EVER pass ACROSS THE BOX. Sorry, but that was just rank defending.

Is this really what we are arguing about: 'Lightweight'? Davies was lightweight against Curtis Davies. Wintle is lightweight, imo. Overall, to do well in the Championship, players of strength are needed. Warnock for all his faults knew this. It's the blend of strength and skill which succedes. We are nowhere near the strength of team we had when Warnock was manager. We won all those games late into the match because we wore teams down. The present City team would be over-run by that Warnock side. Go on, tell me I'm wrong.

Ng also played a very nice through ball for Hugill's goal against forest. I'm not sure many of our other centre backs would be receiving the ball in that position, let alone seeing the opportunity. It would have been a hoof into the air.

Also in terms of strength being all important in this league - how many of the 17 teams above us in the table are there because they are bigger and stronger than us as a unit.

Not many I would have said.