Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe

[cyril evans awaydays]

Re: Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe

More between the lines maybe were going to buy more oil from them , oh that will get folks off on one

Imagine being the same person that wrote this!

I think Donny should send Giuliani out yo Iran and bring back the 1.3 billion pallets of dollars that (I want peace at any cost Obama) gave to that feckless lot,wonder how much of that money has been used to kill or plot against westerners ?

[life on mars]

Re: Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe

I wasn't talking about Raab or Truss

Hunt ?

See im missed the s ?

[life on mars]

Re: Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe

Imagine being the same person that wrote this!

I think Donny should send Giuliani out yo Iran and bring back the 1.3 billion pallets of dollars that (I want peace at any cost Obama) gave to that feckless lot,wonder how much of that money has been used to kill or plot against westerners ?

Yep spot on whoever stated that is a very astute , it's all bad business whichever way you paint it , its money/deals for death/ weapons , imprisonment of innocents , and persecution of minority groups, just to feed the western persons greed and need for cheap goods and lifestyles .

All of us are guilty .

[cyril evans awaydays]

Re: Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe

Yep spot on whoever stated that is a very astute , it's all bad business whichever way you paint it , its money/deals for death/ weapons , imprisonment of innocents , and persecution of minority groups, just to feed the western persons greed and need for cheap goods and lifestyles .

All of us are guilty .

It does take a special kind of astuteness to blame the lady for going there in the first place, blame Obama for unfreezing Iranian money because it will be used to kill westerners, laud Donald Trump for cancelling the Iranian nuclear deal which effectively froze the ability to repay the Iranian debt, then suggest some folks will go off on one if this allows us to buy Iranian oil (which presumably will be used to kill westerners).

Moral bankruptcy and the inability to hold a coherent thought seems to be some of the core competencies of the "Astute".

What I do at least agree is that the Iranian Regime is overwhelmingly to blame for her plight, though Johnson's loose tongue undoubtedly made things worse for her by giving that regime cover for their actions.

[life on mars]

Re: Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe

Big question why now there's a 3rd person still there??

Nuclear deal done ??

USA not happy as they may have wanted their hostages out as well .

After Russia do we know see Iran / Saudi as a lesser evil ?

[Elwood Blues]

Re: Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe

The podcast mentioned above is a good summary of the 40 odd years of debt non-payment by the UK government.

Various periods of sanctions have been used as a reason for non-payment, but the USA paid off a debt to Iran to get some of its citizens released years ago - and last year the UK pulled out of an agreement with Iran at the request of the USA who wanted to co-ordinate hostage releases - partly tied to the renewed nuclear deal negotiations (post Trump). That fell apart and, as I understand it, the UK government decided not to tailgate the USA but go ahead with unilateral negotiations. It seems that came down mainly to paying the debt. It could have happened years ago. Zaghari-Ratcliffe didn't have to be a pawn in a political game.

According to Jeremy Hunt on the Andrew Marr show on LBC, we had to get the Americans to agree,because if a British Bank had transferred money to Iran without American consent that bank would have been barred from doing business witn America.

However later during the interview it apppears tha LBC had been told the money hadn't been paid in cash. Jeremy Hunt mentioned medical supplies which as it has been agreed that the moeny is only to be used for humanitarian purposes maks sense.

[life on mars]

Re: Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-60775180

Wonderful family reunion video

[life on mars]

Re: Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe

Nazanin was no the only one that was effected knowing Boris

https://www.channel4.com/news/student-held-in-same-iranian-prison-as-nazanin-zaghari-ratcliffe-says-she-was-psychologically-tortured

[Rjk]

Re: Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe

https://twitter.com/marcowenjones/status/1506210844190859265?t=unybbkaYNpQcfal2iBegIQ&s=19

interesting analysis of people criticising Mrs Zaghari-Ratcliffe for being "ungrateful" for suggesting that maybe it took too long to bring her home, and people posting Messages in support of Brexit

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Re: Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe

https://twitter.com/marcowenjones/st...al2iBegIQ&s=19


interesting analysis of people criticising Mrs Zaghari-Ratcliffe for being "ungrateful" for suggesting that maybe it took too long to bring her home, and people posting Messages in support of Brexit

+ they tweet about "anti woke" "anti PC" etc

Locked up for 6 years and comes back and says she should have been helped 6 years ago and they're trending sendherback because she's "ungrateful"

Imagine being one of these arseholes, it must be absolutely miserable, constantly outraged

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Re: Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe

I think she's a very attractive woman

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+ they tweet about "anti woke" "anti PC" etc

Locked up for 6 years and comes back and says she should have been helped 6 years ago and they're trending sendherback because she's "ungrateful"

Imagine being one of these arseholes, it must be absolutely miserable, constantly outraged

So many ex army types seem to be complete daft racists

[JamesWales]

Re: Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe

There is no need for abuse but I dont think she came across well tbh. In such s circumstance you would expect everyone to come away entirely sympathetically. That wasn't the case here.

I can well believe she feels that other foreign secretaries could have got her out sooner (no doubt there are reasons good or otherwise) but it strikes me that the current one and her staff have achieved it and that deserves credit.

As an aside, note how divisive Twitter subtly works; criticism of her is framed as criticism of someone who 'is a person of colour' etc. I.e a not very subtle dog whistle than anyone criticising her is a racist.

The same rules never apply to Priti Patel et Al of course. That's all legitimate

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

Re: Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe

There is no need for abuse but I dont think she came across well tbh. In such s circumstance you would expect everyone to come away entirely sympathetically. That wasn't the case here.

I can well believe she feels that other foreign secretaries could have got her out sooner (no doubt there are reasons good or otherwise) but it strikes me that the current one and her staff have achieved it and that deserves credit.

As an aside, note how divisive Twitter subtly works; criticism of her is framed as criticism of someone who 'is a person of colour' etc. I.e a not very subtle dog whistle than anyone criticising her is a racist.

The same rules never apply to Priti Patel et Al of course. That's all legitimate

When someone tweets .....send her back ..I dont think its a shot in the dark to think they are racist

When something like this happens the knuckle draggers soon come out

[Vindec]

Re: Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe

The debt with Iran should have been settled long and that would surely have paved the way for her to be released sooner. Of course Johnson didn't help when he effectively, through his remarks, gave Iran the opportunity to extend the sentences of those detained. She didn't come out of it that well in her remarks yesterday but who can blame her after spending 6 years in custody. However, I think NZR's remarks were probably made with caution as her parents are in Iran and, if she criticised the Iran regime too harshly, her parents might be punished. Far easier therefore for her to criticise the UK government which of course was fully justified and be less critical of the regime in Iran.