Unilateral Tan

[J R Hartley]

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Vincent Tan keeps, or rather kept the club afloat, and for that I am grateful, but let’s not ignore the fact that an absolute shitload of money has been wasted and continues to be wasted under his stewardship because he is not taking the right advice.

I’m not saying he should consult fans on managerial appointments or player transfers but he sure as hell needs a sporting director or structure in place so that he starts getting better value for the millions he’s putting in.

Tan, Choo and Dalman know **** all about football and they are still being led by agents or chancers like Warnock. They are not new to the game anymore, surely by now they can see for the long term success of this club the current structure does not work.

He can’t let go of the Acorn signing nearly 8 years ago but we’ve wasted that ten fold since Malky left and Tan and the three amigos took charge of transfers.

Club is a basket case.

[LeningradCowboy]

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Vincent Tan keeps, or rather kept the club afloat, and for that I am grateful, but let’s not ignore the fact that an absolute shitload of money has been wasted and continues to be wasted under his stewardship because he is not taking the right advice.

I’m not saying he should consult fans on managerial appointments or player transfers but he sure as hell needs a sporting director or structure in place so that he starts getting better value for the millions he’s putting in.

Tan, Choo and Dalman know **** all about football and they are still being led by agents or chancers like Warnock. They are not new to the game anymore, surely by now they can see for the long term success of this club the current structure does not work.

He can’t let go of the Acorn signing nearly 8 years ago but we’ve wasted that ten fold since Malky left and Tan and the three amigos took charge of transfers.

Club is a basket case.

100%

[surge]

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Vincent Tan keeps, or rather kept the club afloat, and for that I am grateful, but let’s not ignore the fact that an absolute shitload of money has been wasted and continues to be wasted under his stewardship because he is not taking the right advice.

I’m not saying he should consult fans on managerial appointments or player transfers but he sure as hell needs a sporting director or structure in place so that he starts getting better value for the millions he’s putting in.

Tan, Choo and Dalman know **** all about football and they are still being led by agents or chancers like Warnock. They are not new to the game anymore, surely by now they can see for the long term success of this club the current structure does not work.

He can’t let go of the Acorn signing nearly 8 years ago but we’ve wasted that ten fold since Malky left and Tan and the three amigos took charge of transfers.

Club is a basket case.

Tan's now been in football for ten'ish years across three clubs and in two continents. He should know more than feck all about the sport, but if he still doesn't he's surrounded himself with the wrong people.

Who knows what Dalman and Choo do behind the scenes? There has been such little communication from the board over past number of years that managers are left to fill the gaps but, when they have spoken in the past, Choo comes across well and Dalman comes across as a bit slimy.

We need more structure at the club, as you have said.

[Citizen's Nephew]

Re: Unilateral Tan

Vincent Tan keeps, or rather kept the club afloat, and for that I am grateful, but let’s not ignore the fact that an absolute shitload of money has been wasted and continues to be wasted under his stewardship because he is not taking the right advice.

I’m not saying he should consult fans on managerial appointments or player transfers but he sure as hell needs a sporting director or structure in place so that he starts getting better value for the millions he’s putting in.

Tan, Choo and Dalman know **** all about football and they are still being led by agents or chancers like Warnock. They are not new to the game anymore, surely by now they can see for the long term success of this club the current structure does not work.

He can’t let go of the Acorn signing nearly 8 years ago but we’ve wasted that ten fold since Malky left and Tan and the three amigos took charge of transfers.

Club is a basket case.

Yup, 100% from me too. Excellent summary. To get into the PL twice within 5 years only to be relegated on each occasion is a footballing and financial travesty. It took 52 (?) odd years to get back into the top tier. I really don't understand the club management structure at all.

[Vindec]

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It probably would have cost upwards of £200m for the club to last longer than one season in the Premier League. Those that don't spend normally get relegated. We have wasted a lot of money undoubtedly but that was a relatively small sum compared with the amount we would have needed to spend to retain Premier League status. Do people honestly believe that consulting fans over a new manager would make a blind bit of difference, and we simply don't have the funds to spend £100s of millions required to retain Premier League status.

[WJ99mobile]

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So much disrespect for Tan who has done one thing wrong in his entire tenure.

[WJ99mobile]

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Do we need a relegation from this division to start the new beginning and wipe everything we and the players know.
Start fresh from the top, and rebuild the team and its direction.
Its ingrained to lump it forward in everyone of these players.
Morrison is a good defender but the times I scream at him everytime he and the rest of our players just hoof the ball to nobody from one end of the pitch to the other, really gets on my tits.

Ask Sunderland if a relegation sorted everything out.

[WJ99mobile]

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Not strictly true, is it? Tan owns the club, the fans are just a customers, as he was keen to point out on numerous occasions during the rebrand era.

Until football is self sufficient with normalised wages this is what it is.

Unless you fancy paying wages out of your savings?

[WJ99mobile]

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Yup, 100% from me too. Excellent summary. To get into the PL twice within 5 years only to be relegated on each occasion is a footballing and financial travesty. It took 52 (?) odd years to get back into the top tier. I really don't understand the club management structure at all.

I don’t suppose it’s that much different to many other clubs?

[J R Hartley]

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It probably would have cost upwards of £200m for the club to last longer than one season in the Premier League. Those that don't spend normally get relegated. We have wasted a lot of money undoubtedly but that was a relatively small sum compared with the amount we would have needed to spend to retain Premier League status. Do people honestly believe that consulting fans over a new manager would make a blind bit of difference, and we simply don't have the funds to spend £100s of millions required to retain Premier League status.

We got promoted in 2013 with Crystal Palace. We spent far more than them in that first season to stay in the Prem. They stayed there and kicked on and are now established. Leicester the following year didn’t need to spend 200m to stay in the league initially. Its not how much you spend it’s how you spend the money you do have to spend.

Look at Burnley. Have they spent 200m in total since they’ve been in the PL?

[Dorcus]

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Vincent Tan keeps, or rather kept the club afloat, and for that I am grateful, but let’s not ignore the fact that an absolute shitload of money has been wasted and continues to be wasted under his stewardship because he is not taking the right advice.

I’m not saying he should consult fans on managerial appointments or player transfers but he sure as hell needs a sporting director or structure in place so that he starts getting better value for the millions he’s putting in.

Tan, Choo and Dalman know **** all about football and they are still being led by agents or chancers like Warnock. They are not new to the game anymore, surely by now they can see for the long term success of this club the current structure does not work.

He can’t let go of the Acorn signing nearly 8 years ago but we’ve wasted that ten fold since Malky left and Tan and the three amigos took charge of transfers.

Club is a basket case.

Totally agree and we're going nowhere fast under the stewardship of this fella and his incompetent lieutenants. I don't buy this notion that because he owns the club he can do what he likes. That might be true legally but certainly not ethically; a football club is so much more than a regular commercial enterprise and it has a special role in maintaining local identity and pride.

Yes we might be keeping ourselves afloat under his administration but there's never any hope of development because the club infrastructure and personnel mitigate against it.

Surely every supporter wants better for their club so just marking time is never an option. In any case no one knows if there is any positive long term plan for the club or, more likely, is Tan just protecting his investment until he gets his opportunity to offload the club.

And before anyone says these mega wealthy owners don't grow on trees I'm aware of that so in the short term I accept we're stuck with Tan. However, that doesn't stop me yearning for new owners to come along sooner rather than later otherwise we shall forever be stuck as also rans.

[Vindec]

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We got promoted in 2013 with Crystal Palace. We spent far more than them in that first season to stay in the Prem. They stayed there and kicked on and are now established. Leicester the following year didn’t need to spend 200m to stay in the league initially. Its not how much you spend it’s how you spend the money you do have to spend.

Look at Burnley. Have they spent 200m in total since they’ve been in the PL?

So you don't think staying in the Premier League has anything to do with money but more about the way clubs spend the money they have? I just happen to disagree with you. For every example you cite there are others who have not spent such as WBA, Norwich and Hull and then got relegated. Normally the more money clubs have the better they perform. If you don't believe the Premier League is about money you are of course entitled to your opinion as I am mine.

[Dorcus]

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So you don't think staying in the Premier League has anything to do with money but more about the way clubs spend the money they have? I just happen to disagree with you. For every example you cite there are others who have not spent such as WBA, Norwich and Hull and then got relegated. Normally the more money clubs have the better they perform. If you don't believe the Premier League is about money you are of course entitled to your opinion as I am mine.

The thing is it's about more than just money. It's about having the right ambition, the right infrastructure, the right manager AND spending the right amount of money wisely.

In my opinion the club has never had any of the first three requirements and on both occasions we were promoted it didn't invest sufficient money to build on its status. However having the wrong ambition, infrastructure and manager in the first place always meant that no matter how much money was spent the project was likely always doomed to fail.

[Elwood Blues]

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I think you should probably be directing a lot of your praise in the direction of Ridsdale too.

You can be a despot and have success now and then.

This idea of success though is the same as Warnock claiming his way of playing was a "winning" way in response to Harris' "offensive remarks" (what a diva he is BTW). It's a fallacy. We are in the same position now that we were when Warnock joined. Same goes for Tan. On the pitch we are in the same position now as we were when he bought the club.

To put it simply, we have gone forwards, but we have also gone backwards just as much. We've had success, but we have had just as much failure.

With regards, he is keeping th club afloat. Still remains to be seen what the situation is when he eventually leaves. As I understand it we till have some pretty bug debts right ? Fact remains, he has done good things on this front. However, does this give him the right to be so oblique and aloof when it come to decision making for the clubs future on the field ? Is it even in his own interest !? Does he even have the right to be that way ?

The answer to your last question for Tan and 99% of owner is yes How many owners can you name who consulted their fans on the clubs future?

[Vindec]

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The thing is it's about more than just money. It's about having the right ambition, the right infrastructure, the right manager AND spending the right amount of money wisely.

In my opinion the club has never had any of the first three requirements and on both occasions we were promoted it didn't invest sufficient money to build on its status. However having the wrong ambition, infrastructure and manager in the first place always meant that no matter how much money was spent the project was likely always doomed to fail.

The club has the right infrastructure but not the money to sustain its status as a Premier League club. I believe the club has ambition but without the money to support it. You can have as much ambition as you like but without money clubs will always find it difficult to compete at the highest level.

And what exactly is the right amount of money to quote you? And where is this money to come from? It's normal for fans to complain about their football club but really it's laughable for fans to suggest that money should be forthcoming when we don't put our wealth at stake or make financial decisions as directors that could make us personally liable for club debts.