Sam Bowen to Newport

[The Lone Gunman]

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What’s your beef with Morison mate? Genuine question

I don't have one really. I think his achievements as a manager so far have been greatly exaggerated, not least by the man himself, and I don't find him in any way likeable, but I don't have any particular beef with him. In fact, I find him amusing.

[Father Dougal]

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Is it? Not to me. What do you think he means?

Hes saying he wants to bring in players who have different characteristics and strengths. Thats clear. By that i would guess (and hope) he is saying we need players more dynamic who can do the basics, want to improve and who play with a smile on their face is what i assume he is getting at.

Everyone who has watched cardiff at all for the last 4 years would say we desperately need players with better character. Some leaders wouldn't go amiss either.

[Tuerto]

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Hes saying he wants to bring in players who have different characteristics and strengths. Thats clear. By that i would guess (and hope) he is saying we need players more dynamic who can do the basics, want to improve and who play with a smile on their face is what i assume he is getting at.

Everyone who has watched cardiff at all for the last 4 years would say we desperately need players with better character. Some leaders wouldn't go amiss either.

It was 'Football' speak, although it didn't make much sense. I reckon that it's obvious what he is after. Players who will run themselves into the ground, press, press, press, force the opposition and squeeze them so hard that they submit :hehe: He's after work rate and shape, and for players to know their jobs without a great deal of deviation in play. I'm also certain that it isn't going to be about 'football' only in the correct areas. The emphasis is on discipline and work rate. That's how i see it.

[Father Dougal]

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It was 'Football' speak, although it didn't make much sense. I reckon that it's obvious what he is after. Players who will run themselves into the ground, press, press, press, force the opposition and squeeze them so hard that they submit :hehe: He's after work rate and shape, and for players to know their jobs without a great deal of deviation in play. I'm also certain that it isn't going to be about 'football' only in the correct areas. The emphasis is on discipline and work rate. That's how i see it.

Yep spot on. Energy. Quite similar to early malky days perhaps as we had always had a whitts or a kimbo under malky but identity was clear.

[UNDERHILL1927]

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I don't have one really. I think his achievements as a manager so far have been greatly exaggerated, not least by the man himself, and I don't find him in any way likeable, but I don't have any particular beef with him. In fact, I find him amusing.

Fair enough haha. Let’s hope he can change your opinion next season 😇

[The Lone Gunman]

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Fair enough haha. Let’s hope he can change your opinion next season

I don’t think anything he does next season is likely to change my opinion of the job he’s done this season and I’ll be amazed if he becomes more likeable. That would require some sort of a personality transplant.

Let me flip the question your way: what is it about Morison that you like?

[MOZZER2]

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rumourville mentioning that this deal will involve Dom Telford joining us from Newport county

source - newport county forums via twitter

[Tuerto]

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rumourville mentioning that this deal will involve Dom Telford joining us from Newport county

source - newport county forums via twitter

Striker, isn't he? I don't know how many he has scored this season, but that would be a huge jump for him. Very difficult for Strikers to make that kind of jump in standard, much more so than defenders in my opinion.

[MOZZER2]

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Striker, isn't he? I don't know how many he has scored this season, but that would be a huge jump for him. Very difficult for Strikers to make that kind of jump in standard, much more so than defenders in my opinion.

what i,m seeing is 26 goals in 52 appearances

maybe someone could vouch for those stats its just what i,m reading ?

[Rjk]

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what i,m seeing is 26 goals in 52 appearances

maybe someone could vouch for those stats its just what i,m reading ?

seems to have scored 25 in.tje league this season in 37 games, which is excellent - however in any previous season he's hardly scored any.
wouldn't be the first time we've signed someone on the back of one good season then they've immediately reverted to type

[blue matt]

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Striker, isn't he? I don't know how many he has scored this season, but that would be a huge jump for him. Very difficult for Strikers to make that kind of jump in standard, much more so than defenders in my opinion.

Kieffer Moore made the jump, National League to Premier league in 6 years :thumbup:

[dembethewarrior]

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Because Rowberry showed the most desire and has made it clear he is key to the side he wants to build at Newport. Would that be the case at league one club? I doubt it, not for a 21 year old player with just 5 senior appearances.

Sometimes you got to go a step back to go forward. The lad we’ve just signed from FGR had to drop into non league and work his way back up the levels after being released from a championship club with no senior appearances.

I just pointed out it backs up the Bellamy claim :thumbup:

As for bullying in an earlier reply, if it is bullying it has no place. Obviously.

[J R Hartley]

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I just pointed out it backs up the Bellamy claim :thumbup:

As for bullying in an earlier reply, if it is bullying it has no place. Obviously.

Backs up what claim? This is what Bellamy said:

I love Sam as a player and he was my captain. You realise how good he is when you’re with him. The little movements he makes, he plays on a very high wavelength. He could go and train at a club like Liverpool and would have no problems. The better players he plays with, the better he is. The one thing I will say is that I think he’s playing too safe at the moment and I’ve told him that. Take the responsibility and stop relying on other players because you’ve got too much ability. What you’re seeing from him at the moment is only a fraction of his ability. He can control games, he can see passes and balls around corners, he can see the big picture and gets everything tactically. He needs to take responsibility, but that’s normal for a young kid. It took me seven or eight games. I was just keeping it simple and that’s not me. When he gets rid of this injury, he’ll be fine because his football IQ is very high.

Nowhere in there does he claim to "always take the easy option" just that hes playing too safe (for the first team), which is normal for a young kid breaking into the first team, something that Bellamy himself admits to doing when he broke through.

Unless there was more to the interview that wasnt published, but it seems to me a little bit of word twisting to suit a narrative.

[the other bob wilson]

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Backs up what claim? This is what Bellamy said:

I love Sam as a player and he was my captain. You realise how good he is when you’re with him. The little movements he makes, he plays on a very high wavelength. He could go and train at a club like Liverpool and would have no problems. The better players he plays with, the better he is. The one thing I will say is that I think he’s playing too safe at the moment and I’ve told him that. Take the responsibility and stop relying on other players because you’ve got too much ability. What you’re seeing from him at the moment is only a fraction of his ability. He can control games, he can see passes and balls around corners, he can see the big picture and gets everything tactically. He needs to take responsibility, but that’s normal for a young kid. It took me seven or eight games. I was just keeping it simple and that’s not me. When he gets rid of this injury, he’ll be fine because his football IQ is very high.

Nowhere in there does he claim to "always take the easy option" just that hes playing too safe (for the first team), which is normal for a young kid breaking into the first team, something that Bellamy himself admits to doing when he broke through.

Unless there was more to the interview that wasnt published, but it seems to me a little bit of word twisting to suit a narrative.

It seems to me that the Mick McCarthy “criticism” of Bellamy was along the same lines - he’s under selling himself. All I’ve heard about Bowen from Steve Morison is a line about him needing to work hard to get back into the first team squad after recovering from his injury.

I’ll not jump to conclusions yet, but, based on what we’ve seen so far, Tuerto’s vision of a Morison side being a workaholic team very much concerned with what it does when not in possession of the ball seems realistic. I’d accept that if, unlike the last few years, we had around seven or eight who knew what to do with the ball when they get it - pretty sure Bowen would have fallen into that category if he had stayed, but, just like his dad, some managers probably consider him a luxury player.

[dembethewarrior]

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Backs up what claim? This is what Bellamy said:

I love Sam as a player and he was my captain. You realise how good he is when you’re with him. The little movements he makes, he plays on a very high wavelength. He could go and train at a club like Liverpool and would have no problems. The better players he plays with, the better he is. The one thing I will say is that I think he’s playing too safe at the moment and I’ve told him that. Take the responsibility and stop relying on other players because you’ve got too much ability. What you’re seeing from him at the moment is only a fraction of his ability. He can control games, he can see passes and balls around corners, he can see the big picture and gets everything tactically. He needs to take responsibility, but that’s normal for a young kid. It took me seven or eight games. I was just keeping it simple and that’s not me. When he gets rid of this injury, he’ll be fine because his football IQ is very high.

Nowhere in there does he claim to "always take the easy option" just that hes playing too safe (for the first team), which is normal for a young kid breaking into the first team, something that Bellamy himself admits to doing when he broke through.

Unless there was more to the interview that wasnt published, but it seems to me a little bit of word twisting to suit a narrative.

I haven't got a narrative. I was one of the ones pissed off when we were linked to Doyle as I thought it might block Bowens path.

I vaguely remembered the interview, and when another posted about him taking the easy route it rang a bell (or so I thought) with what I'd read previously.