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Unsurprisingly it turns out dogs meticulously bred to fight, hunt and kill are pretty decent at it. Likewise sheepdogs and retrievers have been bred for certain roles.

Are you aware that dogs and wolves are the same species?

[blue matt]

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GSD's are very intelligent dogs and can be well training to do a lot of things

a guy from our old dog show training club ( we packed it a few years back ) used to train Army dog trainers / handlers, his GSD were wonderful, you could tell them to stay and they would still be in the same spot in 4 hours time

[goats]

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Best dogs I’ve ever had - as usual, mine is on my lap as I write this.

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...amy-older-dogs

Really fancy getting one as it happens, looked after a few of my mates ones in the past ( one for 3 months, other for 6) and it was hard giving them back…such lovely fun dogs. My neighbour bought one recently said they around £3000 though…..

[Rock_Flock_of_Five]

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The Belgian Malinois is another fantastic police/army dog.

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The Belgian Malinois is another fantastic police/army dog.

Belgian shepherd, Dutch Shepherd and German Shepherd are all the same landrace. The Malinois variety of BSD is very agile indeed, but they suffer with hip dysplasia like a lot of shepherds, so jumping is not really a good thing for them to do. i do love watching them train though.

[blue matt]

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The quicker all pure bred dogs are phased out , the better

Pugs , boxers , breathing difficulties

Corgies .....short legs which gives them heart problems

I think people who ALWAYS get a retriever or a Lab or an Alsactian are part of the problem in this country

The dogs homes are full of unwanted animals yet people obsessed with a certain breed simply HAVE to pay for a pedigree dog

Dog breeding should be banned for a few years to see if we can alter the gene pool

I know you post stuff for a response, but this is just wrong, RESPONSIBLE breeding to better the breed must continue

My show breed is the Dally, a carriage dog, we showed our dogs for years, a few 1st places in crufts to pin on our awards board, now the history of Dalmatians tells us when the film 101 Dalmatians came out, the breed became popular and people breed them without thought of the future, this gave us Deaf dogs, some had less pigment in spots and in general the breed suffered, now in the UK we have maybe 20 top breeders ( maybe 20 in Europe and a small handful in the US , though the US is improving due to importing some of the top dogs for breeding from the UK ) who will only breed to better the dogs, these are dogs that fit the standard and are fit and heathy dogs

of course you still have the " back garden breeder " who just breeds to make money, these will breed anything and the results are poor standards of the breed, these might be ok to have as a pet, but breeding a poor standard dog with a poor standard dog just goes you even poorer pups

I know a pug breeder, his dogs are a fine display of what the breed should be, no breathing difficulties in that breed line, its all about the end product

Ive mentioned GSD's above, about 20 years ago, GSD's were favoured to have a sloping rear line, so they were breed for that, this created a issue with the rear legs being weaker and giving way, so the responsible breeders corrected that issue and its now eradicated in many lines

so responsible dog breeders must be encouraged to keep breed lines going

Of course we them step into the designer dog breeding, the Labradoodle etc etc, these dogs have no breed standard, so you can breed a labradoodle with a dandy dimnont ( its in the terrier group of breeds ) and create a dandylabradoodle ( it might have been done anyway ), but we of course cant know what % of the dog is which, so how do we know what health issues that brings
Now I know people with these doodle dogs, low fur loss for people who have allergies etc etc, they have a purpose and are well loved so it all good

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Belgian shepherd, Dutch Shepherd and German Shepherd are all the same landrace. The Malinois variety of BSD is very agile indeed, but they suffer with hip dysplasia like a lot of shepherds, so jumping is not really a good thing for them to do. i do love watching them train though.

Ah, thanks for the insight. Such a shame so many dog breeds have problems associated with their breeding over the years.
I speak from personal experience, having owned a British Bulldog who suffered great breathing difficulties here, in a sub-tropical climate.

[Lither_1927]

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GSDs are indeed wonderful dogs, and whilst they have been used extensively within the police and military, this is due to their intelligence and their ability to be trained. The GSD was originally a herding/guard dog of sheep and would be used by the farmers to help drove their flock to town.

The Kangal has the strongest bite force of any dog, not the mastiff, followed by the Ovcharka. bite force alone is not enough, as a dog has to have strength.

now turning to the Bull Terrier breeds, these were a cross of the original English Bulldog - known for gameness and bull baiting (not fighting), and the Terrier - known for its energy and tenacity. The Bull and Terrier breeds were bred to fight similar sized dogs, not larger herding dogs such as shepherds, kangals or boerbals, which were crossed with wolves early on in the breeding.

You put a working line shepherd/kangal who is used to fighting foxes and wolves against any bull terrier and the outcome is very predictable. You should not confuse the pet and show lines we have with the original breed which were bred for a very specific purpose.

Perhaps i'm a sucker for pitbull's aggressive aesthetic but i just can't see a bigger pitbull getting killed by a German Shepherd.
You're right about the Kangal having the strongest bite force, never heard of them. (American Banne dog 2nd) just watched a decent youtube video on the top 5 strongest bite. Ovchaka(Caucasian Shepherd) is 5th on the list. Apparently the Caucasian Shepherd is becoming trendy in the UK, Some of them are huge, fearsome looking things.
Also in that video, it says dog fighting is still legal in Japan.

https://youtu.be/BDmKaU4PO9o

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Perhaps i'm a sucker for pitbull's aggressive aesthetic but i just can't see a bigger pitbull getting killed by a German Shepherd.
You're right about the Kangal having the strongest bite force, never heard of them. (American Banne dog 2nd) just watched a decent youtube video on the top 5 strongest bite. Ovchaka(Caucasian Shepherd) is 5th on the list. Apparently the Caucasian Shepherd is becoming trendy in the UK, Some of them are huge, fearsome looking things.
Also in that video, it says dog fighting is still legal in Japan.
https://youtu.be/BDmKaU4PO9o

Kangals are lovely dogs, very protective, they look like a larger, less fluffy Macedonian shepherd (the Sharplaninac). As usual breeders in the US are bastardising the breed and they've come up with what they call the Anatolian Shepherd Dog. Kangals come from Sivas in Turkey and nowhere else.

The Ovcharka is also a lovely animal, but wary of strangers.

as Blue Matt says, breeding working line dogs is one thing, breeding dogs with inherent traits like pugs and GSDs for aesthetics is just wrong.

And Japan can go **** itself. Dog fighting is barbaric.

[Rock_Flock_of_Five]

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Kangals are lovely dogs, very protective, they look like a larger, less fluffy Macedonian shepherd (the Sharplaninac). As usual breeders in the US are bastardising the breed and they've come up with what they call the Anatolian Shepherd Dog. Kangals come from Sivas in Turkey and nowhere else.

The Ovcharka is also a lovely animal, but wary of strangers.

as Blue Matt says, breeding working line dogs is one thing, breeding dogs with inherent traits like pugs and GSDs for aesthetics is just wrong.

And Japan can go **** itself. Dog fighting is barbaric.

"kangals are lovely dogs, very protective".

"The Ovcharka is also a lovely animal, but wary of strangers."........

Isn't this the problem though with these powerful dogs? They can be overly protective and territorial.

YouTube is littered with videos of kids curled up on the sofa with the family pitbull, trying to debunk the myth that they are dangerous in any way.

A corgi (snappy little feckers! ) is perhaps more likely to bite you than a Kangal, but I'd like to think I could deal with our Welsh canine friend.
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[OurManFlint II]

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I know you post stuff for a response, but this is just wrong, RESPONSIBLE breeding to better the breed must continue

My show breed is the Dally, a carriage dog, we showed our dogs for years, a few 1st places in crufts to pin on our awards board, now the history of Dalmatians tells us when the film 101 Dalmatians came out, the breed became popular and people breed them without thought of the future, this gave us Deaf dogs, some had less pigment in spots and in general the breed suffered, now in the UK we have maybe 20 top breeders ( maybe 20 in Europe and a small handful in the US , though the US is improving due to importing some of the top dogs for breeding from the UK ) who will only breed to better the dogs, these are dogs that fit the standard and are fit and heathy dogs

of course you still have the " back garden breeder " who just breeds to make money, these will breed anything and the results are poor standards of the breed, these might be ok to have as a pet, but breeding a poor standard dog with a poor standard dog just goes you even poorer pups

I know a pug breeder, his dogs are a fine display of what the breed should be, no breathing difficulties in that breed line, its all about the end product

Ive mentioned GSD's above, about 20 years ago, GSD's were favoured to have a sloping rear line, so they were breed for that, this created a issue with the rear legs being weaker and giving way, so the responsible breeders corrected that issue and its now eradicated in many lines

so responsible dog breeders must be encouraged to keep breed lines going

Of course we them step into the designer dog breeding, the Labradoodle etc etc, these dogs have no breed standard, so you can breed a labradoodle with a dandy dimnont ( its in the terrier group of breeds ) and create a dandylabradoodle ( it might have been done anyway ), but we of course cant know what % of the dog is which, so how do we know what health issues that brings
Now I know people with these doodle dogs, low fur loss for people who have allergies etc etc, they have a purpose and are well loved so it all good

So you bread them to show them in shows WTF!

They are just dogs, working dogs i understand, but household dogs for companionship get out of town you don't need a Pedigree. My dogs lovely, went to the pound said i want one that doesn't bark, doesn't bother with other dogs ( i hate the chit chat about dogs with other dog owner, f** off boring c**ts ), good around people and not too young as i don't want a puppy. 3 weeks later got a call and everything i asked for was delivered, absolutely gorgeous animal.

Until the pounds are empty very very strict control on any form of breeding.

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"kangals are lovely dogs, very protective".

"The Ovcharka is also a lovely animal, but wary of strangers."........

Isn't this the problem though with these powerful dogs? They can be overly protective and territorial.

YouTube is littered with videos of kids curled up on the sofa with the family pitbull, trying to debunk the myth that they are dangerous in any way.

A corgi (snappy little feckers! ) is perhaps more likely to bite you than a Kangal, but I'd like to think I could deal with our Welsh canine friend.
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Any dog can bite, but if you treat the dog well and make it feel safe, as part of the pack where it knows its place, it will be a happy health dog that is highly unlikely to bite a human.

Experiments have shown that dogs are hard wired to respond to humans in a way that wolves are not. Seeing their favourite human can release oxytocin, which is something dogs struggle to produce, and they certainly don't produce it when they see other dogs (not in the same quantities). The point being, dogs are pack animals, but they prefer to be in a human pack.

[stan butler]

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"kangals are lovely dogs, very protective".

"The Ovcharka is also a lovely animal, but wary of strangers."........

Isn't this the problem though with these powerful dogs? They can be overly protective and territorial.

YouTube is littered with videos of kids curled up on the sofa with the family pitbull, trying to debunk the myth that they are dangerous in any way.

A corgi (snappy little feckers! ) is perhaps more likely to bite you than a Kangal, but I'd like to think I could deal with our Welsh canine friend.
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The bull breeds are not dangerous its aresholes who own them for the wrong reasons. My kids used to sleep on the floor or on the rug with my staffs and pitbulls.
My kids friends played with mine in the garden for hours on end and i've never had any issues in 50 years of owning this type of dog.
People put videos on youtube and the like of their kids with the family pitbull etc to show the ignorant twats who slag the breed down without knowing **** all.
I've had it with mine over the years. He keeps devil dogs , dangerous dogs bla bla bla.

[Des Parrot]

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Staffies are marmite dogs. Personally my experience with them is not good, with my ex-neighbours dogs attacking children playing cricket outside his house (he was coaching them at the time), once they bite they don’t unclench. I’ve never trusted a Staffie since.

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