Train strikes

[JamesWales]

Re: Train strikes

They're not actually. The SNP and the unions came to an agreement up there. Even krankie could manage a better deal than Michael green/grant shapps.

It's not the SNP, it's ScotRail management, surely? The drivers did go on strike previously and then their union (ASLEF) accepted 5%. It seems the RMT rejected that. I'm not sure if anything has changed in that respect in the last couple of week?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-61737750

[+ the native hipster]

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They're not actually. The SNP and the unions came to an agreement up there. Even krankie could manage a better deal than Michael green/grant shapps.

that doesn't tally with any information i can find , but your probly right. why would the government get involved in a private company dispute?

[chrisp_1927]

Re: Train strikes

It's not the SNP, it's ScotRail management, surely? The drivers did go on strike previously and then their union (ASLEF) accepted 5%. It seems the RMT rejected that. I'm not sure if anything has changed in that respect in the last couple of week?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-61737750

I'd imagine it's a combination of management and government. It's the government who are paying the bills , same as the English toc's. There are no scotrail staff on strike at present. I think they are in a similar position to wales though, as the network rail signallers being on strike is shutting down a lot of their network.

[chrisp_1927]

Re: Train strikes

that doesn't tally with any information i can find , but your probly right. why would the government get involved in a private company dispute?

Because the private companies are only on fixed fee management contracts now. All costs are borne by government and all revenue goes to government. I'd agree with you if we still had the old style franchises, but these post covid management contracts are very different.

[+ the native hipster]

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Because the private companies are only on fixed fee management contracts now. All costs are borne by government and all revenue goes to government. I'd agree with you if we still had the old style franchises, but these post covid management contracts are very different.

i bow to your knowledge but even the union leaders seem to be saying the billions are going to the franchise holders not the government

[Doucas]

Re: Train strikes

Mick Lynch has done more for workers in one day than Starmer has in years. He comes off incredibly well when interviewed, made Kay Burley look like a mug earlier.

[Doucas]

Re: Train strikes

I Feel for the passenger's this week, huge levels of disruption. The government have orchestrated this in my opinion. Refused to speak to the unions about pay for 3 years, so I don't see what other choice the unions had. Was a bit worried to see an Rmt official suggesting that these strikes could go til Christmas though. Not sure I can afford to lose 3 days pay a month for that long. Personally I'm hoping a rise of around 4% can be negotiated and we can get back to normal.

4% is a pitiful amount though, inflation when you include housing, petrol, gas and electric is likely above 20%, possibly even higher. The billionaires get richer but workers get poorer every single year.

[chrisp_1927]

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i bow to your knowledge but even the union leaders seem to be saying the billions are going to the franchise holders not the government

Some of the rmt figures were a bit pie in the sky. They tried to show how much first group had made, without realising/acknowledging that the cast majority of that profit had come from flogging the greyhound business in the US.

[chrisp_1927]

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4% is a pitiful amount though, inflation when you include housing, petrol, gas and electric is likely above 20%, possibly even higher. The billionaires get richer but workers get poorer every single year.

To be honest I think that the chances of us getting anything more than that is virtually non existent. Personally I'd have taken 4%, obviously can't speak for my colleagues though

[+ the native hipster]

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4% is a pitiful amount though, inflation when you include housing, petrol, gas and electric is likely above 20%, possibly even higher. The billionaires get richer but workers get poorer every single year.

mr lynch getting 20% of 124 thou nice work if you can get it

[Organ Morgan.]

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4% is a pitiful amount though, inflation when you include housing, petrol, gas and electric is likely above 20%, possibly even higher. The billionaires get richer but workers get poorer every single year.

UK official inflation is CPI at 9%, RPI at 11%. This stagflation is bad enough. Should it become hyperinflation then man the lifeboats.

[Doucas]

Re: Train strikes

UK official inflation is CPI at 9%, RPI at 11%. This stagflation is bad enough. Should it become hyperinflation then man the lifeboats.

I'm not sure of the difference between consumer prices index and retail price index but i don't believe that covers anything I listed. (Housing, fuel, gas/electric). Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

[Feedback]

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I'm not sure of the difference between consumer prices index and retail price index but i don't believe that covers anything I listed. (Housing, fuel, gas/electric). Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

CPI and RPI both include the costs you have referred to. The main difference between them is the cost of mortgages, which are included in RPI but not CPI.

Inflation is nowhere near 20%, but give it time and the way things are going

[The Bloop]

Re: Train strikes

CPI and RPI both include the costs you have referred to. The main difference between them is the cost of mortgages, which are included in RPI but not CPI.

Inflation is nowhere near 20%, but give it time and the way things are going

CPI is a weighted average aswell, whereas RPI is a more similar arithmetic mean.

[Doucas]

Re: Train strikes

CPI and RPI both include the costs you have referred to. The main difference between them is the cost of mortgages, which are included in RPI but not CPI.

Inflation is nowhere near 20%, but give it time and the way things are going

I'm curious about the weighting of this as fuel has gone up by at least 30% over the past 12 months, electric and gas has basically doubled. These aren't like cars, these are things people have to spend money on now.