Train strikes

[North Cardiff Blue]

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I think the strikes are organised you easily see and hear that from the various Union Leaders who are not dismissing the chance of joined up strike tactics this summer .

Feeding of the world's issue and pandemic is a clever but thoughtless tactic , some folk are just about adjusting post lockdown Covid they now face more restrictions from the working forces that were paid 100% in pay during Covid many working from home ..


The Tories are attempting to link it Starmer is a tactic to expose the uneasy alliance within the Labour Party..

Labour MP's on picket lines won't help the current leadership, it will though benefit the more left leaning members waiting to ditch Sir Kier and instal a watered down Corbyn candidate..

Teachers now balloting for inflation plus rises .. one union leader mentioned 21% ??

Fill yer boots time, guess who will pay for all these rises ??

Public sector inflation plus rises will cost 20 to 25 billion pa

He's between a rock and a hard place a lot of hardline lefties are reminding him of the name of the party and how it was founded, the problem is he is trying to move away from Corbyn type politics and become more electable, which will continue to split the labour supporters.

[Wash DC Blue]

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Still no one is saying why they would vote for this Government I see.

Mick Lynch has I think.

https://twitter.com/jrc1921/status/1539239362789007363?t=xwJZ8hzFD6SP4223Kqh35g&s=19

[Eric the Half a Bee]

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Pay shouldn't be in line with inflation, it should ideally be above it. But sometimes inflation spikes, typically due to wars or other 'acts of god' and when it's caused by that its sometimes the case that we need to ride it out. Countering it with 10% pay rises across the board will probably exacerbate the problem.

Yet for around a decade, most low paid workers have never had a rise in line with inflation. Very few who work in the public sector have had rises in line with inflation. They were victims of Osborne and Cameron trying to save the public purse. Millions of people have seen costs rise while their wages haven't matched that for a decade or so. Now inflation is going through the roof while wages don't catch up. FFS, how much longer to working people have to "ride this out"?

[Pedro de la Rosa]

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Yet for around a decade, most low paid workers have never had a rise in line with inflation. Very few who work in the public sector have had rises in line with inflation. They were victims of Osborne and Cameron trying to save the public purse. Millions of people have seen costs rise while their wages haven't matched that for a decade or so. Now inflation is going through the roof while wages don't catch up. FFS, how much longer to working people have to "ride this out"?

Forever. Just suck it up and take the scraps.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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Yet for around a decade, most low paid workers have never had a rise in line with inflation. Very few who work in the public sector have had rises in line with inflation. They were victims of Osborne and Cameron trying to save the public purse. Millions of people have seen costs rise while their wages haven't matched that for a decade or so. Now inflation is going through the roof while wages don't catch up. FFS, how much longer to working people have to "ride this out"?

How much longer are so many of those directly affected by the Tories prepared to not vote against them or not even vote at all ?

The electorate are stupid

If they shaped up the 35 percent who vote tory and let them run the country would be leathered

It's not helped by starmer and whoever leads the liberals being a waste of time mind but still .....

[JamesWales]

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Yet for around a decade, most low paid workers have never had a rise in line with inflation. Very few who work in the public sector have had rises in line with inflation. They were victims of Osborne and Cameron trying to save the public purse. Millions of people have seen costs rise while their wages haven't matched that for a decade or so. Now inflation is going through the roof while wages don't catch up. FFS, how much longer to working people have to "ride this out"?

Well, sorry to bring some facts to the table, but the minimum wage was £6.19 in 2012. It's £9.50 now. Thats an increase of 53%.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Minimum_Wage_Act_1998

We can add a little from the last few months, but Inflation from 2012 to 2021 was 25%.

https://www.bankofengland.co.uk/monetary-policy/inflation/inflation-calculator

No one disputes the global financial crisis, then a pandemic then a war in Europe don't impact on things. They do. It's been fkn tough, but the solution isn't to give everyone 10% more money. You may want to support the union on ideological ground but you know that in your heart it isn't the answer for the country as a whole.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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The thing is with the Tories is that they still blame Labour for what was a worldwide financial crisis 14 years ago?

But when they are told what about these utter feck ups on your watch .......they blame it on covid or Ukraine

They are a bunch of oily chancers

If murder was legal I would take them all out

[JamesWales]

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The thing is with the Tories is that they still blame Labour for what was a worldwide financial crisis 14 years ago?

But when they are told what about these utter feck ups on your watch .......they blame it on covid or Ukraine

They are a bunch of oily chancers

If murder was legal I would take them all out

Sludge, inflation in Belgium is currently 9%. In Greece it's 11%, in Holland 8.8%. In Spain 8.7%. Germany 8%. In Poland it's 14%. Czech Republic, 16%! Nearly all of these are 40,50 year highs.

https://tradingeconomics.com/country-list/inflation-rate?continent=europe

Is it the Tories causing this as well? Quite obviously anyone with half a brain can see it isn't. So if you genuinely care about the issue, it's worth working out whats causing it. If it's just a left-wing circle jerk people are after, then crack on, but you won't solve the problem you profess to care about whilst doing it.

Just blaming the government for inflation rising is like just thanking them when it falls again. It's not like nothing can be done about it, but it's limited what can be achieved, and what has been done (£150 payments, forthcoming £350 payments, increases in personal allowance etc) put money in peoples pockets without changing the headline inflation figure anyway - could be argued it has helped fuel it I guess, but you can't win if thats the case.

[Eric the Half a Bee]

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Well, sorry to bring some facts to the table, but the minimum wage was £6.19 in 2012. It's £9.50 now. Thats an increase of 53%.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Minimum_Wage_Act_1998

We can add a little from the last few months, but Inflation from 2012 to 2021 was 25%.
https://www.bankofengland.co.uk/mone...ion-calculator.

For a start, let's not start putting words in my mouth. Not at any stage did I say to give everyone 10%, neither did I offer support for the union. What I did ask was how much longer have working people got to "ride it out". You were rather reluctant to offer an opinion on this.

As for your stats on the minimum wage, good that there has been such an increase, but given that the minimum wage was so low to begin with, it needed to grow quickly. It also brings people into paying income tax, even with the rise in the personal allowance, so give with one hand, take away with the other.

I notice you had no response to public sector workers, nurses, teachers etc who have had their wages virtually frozen for a decade. Do you support them in their struggles against inflation or not?

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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Sludge, inflation in Belgium is currently 9%. In Greece it's 11%, in Holland 8.8%. In Spain 8.7%. Germany 8%. In Poland it's 14%. Czech Republic, 16%! Nearly all of these are 40,50 year highs.

https://tradingeconomics.com/country-list/inflation-rate?continent=europe

Is it the Tories causing this as well? Quite obviously anyone with half a brain can see it isn't. So if you genuinely care about the issue, it's worth working out whats causing it. If it's just a left-wing circle jerk people are after, then crack on, but you won't solve the problem you profess to care about whilst doing it.

Just blaming the government for inflation rising is like just thanking them when it falls again. It's not like nothing can be done about it, but it's limited what can be achieved, and what has been done (£150 payments, forthcoming £350 payments, increases in personal allowance etc) put money in peoples pockets without changing the headline inflation figure anyway - could be argued it has helped fuel it I guess, but you can't win if thats the case.

The crisis the Tories blamed Labour for was a worldwide crisis in the same way this current euro wide inflation hike is a country wide crisis

The Tories are in charge and if and political gain can be made by poking a stick in them , give me a stick

They don't like the boot being on the other foot

[Eric the Half a Bee]

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The crisis the Tories blamed Labour for was a worldwide crisis in the same way this current euro wide inflation hike is a country wide crisis

The Tories are in charge and if and political gain can be made by poking a stick in them , give me a stick

They don't like the boot being on the other foot

You have a point here. For years lots of people believed wrongly that Labour were to blame for the crash in 2009, because that's what the media told them.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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You have a point here. For years lots of people believed wrongly that Labour were to blame for the crash in 2009, because that's what the media told them.

I am brighter than I appear

[chrisp_1927]

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https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/in-praise-of-mick-lynch

Very interesting and rather unexpected article from the spectator. That Kay Burley was an absolute disgrace, trying to paint decent working people as violent thugs. Absolutely despicable woman.

[Eric the Half a Bee]

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I am brighter than I appear

Don't peak too soon lol!

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/...-of-mick-lynch


Very interesting and rather unexpected article from the spectator. That Kay Burley was an absolute disgrace, trying to paint decent working people as violent thugs. Absolutely despicable woman.

She's a tory weasel