Joniesta (Jonny Williams - CONFIRMED)

[surge]

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I can't see a single positive in signing someone who has missed more games than he's played in his career because of injuries and, despite those injuries, has never produced any type of form that makes him look like he'd be capable of producing what we would need him to do.

At least someone like Jack Wilshere has shown that he could perform at the highest level, despite his recurring injuries. Williams has struggled at Championship level and is now struggling in League One... I cannot see a positive.

I have to agree with the posters who have said that his potential signing wouldn't be defended if he wasn't Welsh.

If it's all about goals/assists we might as well get Patterson back. If you can't see any positivity in a player who (for less than £200K - if he is a risk because of his injury record he's not an expensive risk) fits at least four out of five of the things we want from new signings then we're clearly seeing things differently.

I'm happy to say I wouldn't have spent so many posts/time supporting him if he wasn't Welsh, but was anything I said incorrect?

[splott parker]

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I thought that this type of signing was a policy that was being binned, The tremendous faith I have in our transfer committee I hope means that these rumours are way off the mark

[splott parker]

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And I reckon that 27 is his showbiz age, he’s not a day under 35

[J R Hartley]

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If it's all about goals/assists we might as well get Patterson back. If you can't see any positivity in a player who (for less than £200K - if he is a risk because of his injury record he's not an expensive risk) fits at least four out of five of the things we want from new signings then we're clearly seeing things differently.

I'm happy to say I wouldn't have spent so many posts/time supporting him if he wasn't Welsh, but was anything I said incorrect?

Fits 4 out of 5 criteria you’ve made up and in your opinion tho. That’s not fact, it’s opinion.

[Heisenberg]

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That doesn’t change the point though does it

Surely it does though? You can't compare the stats of players in different positions. Jonny Williams' job is to be creative as he's an attacking midfielder.

Modric's job at Spurs was to boss the midfield, control possession and give the ball to the attacking players who then create the goal scoring opportunities.

[J R Hartley]

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That doesn’t change the point though does it

Of course it does. Stick to politics Crusty you are making yourself look very silly.

[J R Hartley]

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Surely it does though? You can't compare the stats of players in different positions. Jonny Williams' job is to be creative as he's an attacking midfielder.

Modric's job at Spurs was to boss the midfield, control possession and give the ball to the attacking players who then create the goal scoring opportunities.

Exactly. Absolutely stupid comparison. If anything we need someone in the Modric position than we do Williams. We need someone deeper to feed the likes of Wilson, Ojo, Murphy because Vaulks and Ralls couldn’t pass wind.

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Fits 4 out of 5 criteria you’ve made up and in your opinion tho. That’s not fact, it’s opinion.

Do you disagree with the criteria points chosen? Or that this player fits as many as I've said?

) fits our budget
ii) fills a need in the squad now or in the immediate future
iii) helps with the aim of playing more football
iv) either meets the aim of bringing squad age down (increasing value, increasing dynamism in squad) or supports the younger players coming through
v) helps us win and climb the table

I think he fits the first four of these bullet points and might help us with the fifth. Btw, they're not in any particular order.

[dml1954]

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Fantastic in his prime but not the answer anymore

He is only 27 isn't he ? Should be in his prime now.

[Heisenberg]

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If it's all about goals/assists we might as well get Patterson back. If you can't see any positivity in a player who (for less than £200K - if he is a risk because of his injury record he's not an expensive risk) fits at least four out of five of the things we want from new signings then we're clearly seeing things differently.

I'm happy to say I wouldn't have spent so many posts/time supporting him if he wasn't Welsh, but was anything I said incorrect?

All of it. Why are we even looking at Jonny Williams? He doesn't meet any of your so-called criteria except for him being affordable.

Just to prove my point, Jake Forster-Caskey is a 26 year old midfielder who hasn't proven himself at championship level, is out of contract at the end of the season and is in and out of the Charlton team... Just like JW.

The difference between the two is that JFC doesn't have an injury record longer than a roll of Andrew and has got slightly better creative stats than JW this season.

Shall we take a look at him if he's going for £200k or should we be looking for players who improve upon what we already have and look like they can make the difference we need to aim for promotion?

As I've said in all of my posts... Jonny Williams is struggling in League One. He should not even be on our radar.

[J R Hartley]

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Do you disagree with the criteria points chosen? Or that this player fits as many as I've said?

) fits our budget
ii) fills a need in the squad now or in the immediate future
iii) helps with the aim of playing more football
iv) either meets the aim of bringing squad age down (increasing value, increasing dynamism in squad) or supports the younger players coming through
v) helps us win and climb the table

I think he fits the first four of these bullet points and might help us with the fifth. Btw, they're not in any particular order.

No I don’t agree apart from him being affordable. So are scores of other players.

[Heisenberg]

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Do you disagree with the criteria points chosen? Or that this player fits as many as I've said?

) fits our budget
ii) fills a need in the squad now or in the immediate future
iii) helps with the aim of playing more football
iv) either meets the aim of bringing squad age down (increasing value, increasing dynamism in squad) or supports the younger players coming through
v) helps us win and climb the table

I think he fits the first four of these bullet points and might help us with the fifth. Btw, they're not in any particular order.

The problem with your criteria is that Graham Kavanagh literally meets 3 of the 5.

[J R Hartley]

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Mick Mcarthy can **** right off if this is the calibre of signing we are after.

Bring back Neil Harris

The transfer window shutting can’t come quick enough

[surge]

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All of it. Why are we even looking at Jonny Williams? He doesn't meet any of your so-called criteria except for him being affordable.

i) fits our budget
ii) fills a need in the squad now or in the immediate future
iii) helps with the aim of playing more football
iv) either meets the aim of bringing squad age down (increasing value, increasing dynamism in squad) or supports the younger players coming through
v) helps us win and climb the table

i) you agree with.

ii) The majority of times I've seen him play for Wales it was an attacking midfielder. At the end of this season we lost three players in this position leaving us with just Murphy (underperformed since signing, hopefully can change that going forward) and Tomlin (can we rely on him?).

iii) Think it's fair to say that Jonny is skillful on the ball. Maybe unproductive but few would question his ability to control, pass, recycle the ball or win free-kicks.

iv) Is there anything we've seen that suggests Jonny would be a positive person around the dressing room and help support younger players coming through? I'd ask if there is anything that doesn't show that because countless documentaries/videos/interviews show he's a good bloke to have around.

v) This is where I think we share some doubts.

I'm not saying get excited just that I think we should be more positive than negative on that basis.

[Croesy Blue]

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Surely it does though? You can't compare the stats of players in different positions. Jonny Williams' job is to be creative as he's an attacking midfielder.

Modric's job at Spurs was to boss the midfield, control possession and give the ball to the attacking players who then create the goal scoring opportunities.

All I’m saying is you can’t completely judge a player by one metric.

I don’t think this would be a good signing.