What a shocking decision

[jon1959]

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Section 40 of the British Nationality Act 1981.

Just looked at the wording of that (again). The Home Sectretary can take away someone's British nationality in certain circumstances, but cannot make them stateless as a result - which was one reason for the furore in the Shamima Begum case.

In this case my understanding from the Tribunal reports is that it is about alleged inconsistency of treatment and whether the gang members would be able to re-claim Pakistani citizenship or not.

As an aside - the thread title talks about 'a shocking decision'. The Tribunal hasn't made a decision yet has it?

[Pedro de la Rosa]

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-englan...ester-61957132

No sense in the decision not to deport all of them.

Human Rights, my a**e, what about the Human Rights of their victims.

Were they born here? If so, I don't see why they're Pakistan's problem

[Feedback]

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They also have Pakistani citizenship, apart from the ring leader who renounced his so he wouldn’t be deported. Bring back Penal colonies for these perverts, they have relinquished their rights to being released into the world.

Isnt rehabilitation back into society the purpose of prison ?

[Feedback]

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I'm not surprised it doesn't rile you. Still, at least you can start a thread on Boris jogging into a hotel, eh?

It's completely wrong that we cannot deport people like this, and spend huge sums on supporting them.

The mark of a civilised society is how it treats its criminals.

[William Treseder]

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Or to make sure the law is enforced as it’s written?

I have no sympathy for these scumbags and would have no problem with anything happening to them but it’s mad how much people want the laws to be completely ignored with “certain” criminals.

Always very revealing.

What does it reveal?

[Feedback]

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Usual suspects turning out.

Some of us will get angry about the head of a paedophile grooming gang receiving hundreds of thousands of taxpayers money to fight deportation on technicalities, having got away with his crimes for years.

You guys can find a tweet somewhere or something.

Deal?

You'll no doubt be aware that the cornerstone of our legal system is the individual can do whatever they want without consequence, unless there is a law against it.

Conversely, the government and all of its agencies can only act within the law, and cannot act outside of the powers given to it by law.

If they get off on a technicality, surely it's better to let 10 guilty men go free than punish one innocent man.

Our legal system ain't perfect, but its as good a system an there is.

[William Treseder]

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The mark of a civilised society is how it treats its criminals.

The mark of a soft centred society is how it treats it’s victims.

[Feedback]

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Absolute nonsense - Thats what you guys use when you can't win an argument. Claim xenophobia. This is a guy with dual citizenship and should be deported. If he doesn't want his British citizenship removed, then he shouldn't groom and rape children.

And yes, I am well aware that the law is being used to keep him here and at what cost that brings, and we are all aware who supports that. The law is complex works in many ways - not all decisions are morally right, or else you would be on the Roe v Wade discussion forum smugly telling everyone "some of us understand how the law works". But you aren't, you are here telling that to people who want someone deported who has caused utter misery and ruined the lives of hundreds of vulnerable girls.

You'll no doubt be aware that a state cannot remove citizenship under international law.

Should we just ignore the laws we don't like?

[Feedback]

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Section 40 of the British Nationality Act 1981.

Wasn't that superceded by the 2009 act?

[Feedback]

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The mark of a soft centred society is how it treats it’s victims.

We arent discussing the victims. And I agree, the victims should be central to any discussion

[William Treseder]

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We arent discussing the victims. And I agree, the victims should be central to any discussion

The victims never get discussed.

[North Cardiff Blue]

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they did their crimes here, they should be punished here to the full extent of the law.
They have UK citizenship and no Pakistan citizenship currently - why would Pakistan want a bunch of paedos being sent there, this isn't the 1700 we don't have penal colonies any more

Bring back hanging for them

[Tuerto]

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Just for them?

[Pedro de la Rosa]

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The victims never get discussed.

For good reason