Speed limit to be lowered to 20mph in Wales

[Maurice Swan]

Re: Speed limit to be lowered to 20mph in Wales

haha.....what a farcical decision...have these people EVER driven at 20mph??? Next stage they will want someone with a red flag (probably with a dragon on it) walking ahead of a vehicle......YCNMIU

[Wales-Bales]

Re: Speed limit to be lowered to 20mph in Wales

If a 20 mph limit is not enforced (and where I drive/cycle/walk in North Cardiff it clearly isn't), what is the point of having it?

ESG score.

[life on mars]

Re: Speed limit to be lowered to 20mph in Wales

#23 through Rhiwbina and Whitchurch?

Yep I was pleased with having the increase in speed in Nth CF rise to 20mph ..

Have to say it's worked ,it has calmed folk down ..

Imagine the money spinning cameras are on the way..

Get ready for this though :

https://www.wandsworthguardian.co.uk/news/20271082.lambeth-council-issued-nearly-22million-ltn-fines-year/

[UNDERHILL1927]

Re: Speed limit to be lowered to 20mph in Wales

A completely baseless and unpopular decision by the council, never!

[NYCBlue]

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-62020427

Speed limits in built-up areas look set to be reduced from 30mph to 20mph in Wales from next year - a UK first that is controversial among some drivers.

The speed limit in Manhattan is 25 MPH. I'm quite sure Cardiff could cope with 30 MPH.

[Cyclops]

Re: Speed limit to be lowered to 20mph in Wales

ESG score.

As you know I am a simple soul, and presume this is a new three-piece supergroup a la ELP.
Would have thought it was more to do with Social, Environmental and Governance (SEG).
Doesn't anyone care about the total failure of enforcement - apart from the concerned citizen who has knocked up an extremely convincing DIY mock-up of a yellow speed camera in a front garden of Pendywallt Road - the location of which is easily identified by multiple skid marks on the road just past said garden.

[Citizen's Nephew]

Re: Speed limit to be lowered to 20mph in Wales

If you hit a pedestrian:

at 40 mph there is a 90 percent chance they will be killed.
at 35 mph there is a 50 percent chance they will be killed.
at 30 mph there is a 20 percent chance they will be killed.
at 20 mph there is a 2.5 percent chance they will be killed.

Source: Roadwise

It's worth bearing in mind that drivers are already speeding in 30mph zones so therefore are likely to be speeding in 20mph zones too. Not anyone on here of course, because we're all law-abiding and socially minded members of the community on CCMB.

Personally, I can't wait for smart limiters on vehicles so you won't have any choice. AI is going to be so much better at this stuff than you are. You won't even need speed cameras because of smart data logs. All this stuff is available in motorsport right now (Endurance racing & F1) and all the current bells and whistles come from team and manufacturer's innovations.

Even the World Endurance Championship is using biofuel this season.

[+ the native hipster]

Re: Speed limit to be lowered to 20mph in Wales

If you hit a pedestrian:

at 40 mph there is a 90 percent chance they will be killed.
at 35 mph there is a 50 percent chance they will be killed.
at 30 mph there is a 20 percent chance they will be killed.
at 20 mph there is a 2.5 percent chance they will be killed.

Source: Roadwise

It's worth bearing in mind that drivers are already speeding in 30mph zones so therefore are likely to be speeding in 20mph zones too. Not anyone on here of course, because we're all law-abiding and socially minded members of the community on CCMB.

Personally, I can't wait for smart limiters on vehicles so you won't have any choice. AI is going to be so much better at this stuff than you are. You won't even need speed cameras because of smart data logs. All this stuff is available in motorsport right now (Endurance racing & F1) and all the current bells and whistles come from team and manufacturer's innovations.

Even the World Endurance Championship is using biofuel this season.

there is also research that shows the 90% death rate at 40mph is based on an 80% death rate given by the DofT which might be exaggeration, thanks to modern car design you can find 30% survival rates at 40 , but when we are all microchiped we will know the truth

[Wales-Bales]

Re: Speed limit to be lowered to 20mph in Wales

As you know I am a simple soul, and presume this is a new three-piece supergroup a la ELP.
Would have thought it was more to do with Social, Environmental and Governance (SEG).
Doesn't anyone care about the total failure of enforcement - apart from the concerned citizen who has knocked up an extremely convincing DIY mock-up of a yellow speed camera in a front garden of Pendywallt Road - the location of which is easily identified by multiple skid marks on the road just past said garden.

You got the right words in the wrong order

[Cyclops]

Re: Speed limit to be lowered to 20mph in Wales

You got the right words in the wrong order

Life the of that's my story

[UNDERHILL1927]

Re: Speed limit to be lowered to 20mph in Wales

If you hit a pedestrian:

at 40 mph there is a 90 percent chance they will be killed.
at 35 mph there is a 50 percent chance they will be killed.
at 30 mph there is a 20 percent chance they will be killed.
at 20 mph there is a 2.5 percent chance they will be killed.

Source: Roadwise

It's worth bearing in mind that drivers are already speeding in 30mph zones so therefore are likely to be speeding in 20mph zones too. Not anyone on here of course, because we're all law-abiding and socially minded members of the community on CCMB.

Personally, I can't wait for smart limiters on vehicles so you won't have any choice. AI is going to be so much better at this stuff than you are. You won't even need speed cameras because of smart data logs. All this stuff is available in motorsport right now (Endurance racing & F1) and all the current bells and whistles come from team and manufacturer's innovations.

Even the World Endurance Championship is using biofuel this season.

If you hit a pedestrian at 10mph etc etc etc when does it end? I’ve almost been involved in more crashes due to people driving slowly than I have because of people driving fast.

This Welsh Government seems to want to alienate drivers of motor vehicles to the point that it’s not practical to drive a car. Fantastic utopian idea but not practical at all.

[goats]

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Of course. Still painful

All the serious accidents are not on the roads that are being reduced to 20, they are slow enough already…..they haven’t got the man power to enforce it everywhere anyway but loads of people will get done and end losing points and licences. There’s already a backlog to re sit a test.

[Citizen's Nephew]

Re: Speed limit to be lowered to 20mph in Wales

there is also research that shows the 90% death rate at 40mph is based on an 80% death rate given by the DofT which might be exaggeration, thanks to modern car design you can find 30% survival rates at 40 , but when we are all microchiped we will know the truth

I'm struggling to follow your argument but not your maths. I think you're arguing that a 70% survival rate at being hit by 'a vehicle' is good? I think that's from the viewpoint of the driver and not the pedestrian. It's important to note that vehicles, like people, come in all shapes and sizes.

[rudy gestede]

Re: Speed limit to be lowered to 20mph in Wales

If you hit a pedestrian at 10mph etc etc etc when does it end? I’ve almost been involved in more crashes due to people driving slowly than I have because of people driving fast.

This Welsh Government seems to want to alienate drivers of motor vehicles to the point that it’s not practical to drive a car. Fantastic utopian idea but not practical at all.

I’d say it probably ends at 20mph except on sites because the risk reduction levels won’t be worth it any more.

If they could improve public transport alienating driving a car would be a good thing.