Speed limit to be lowered to 20mph in Wales

[Citizen's Nephew]

Re: Speed limit to be lowered to 20mph in Wales

It appears that (to someone who doesn't live in Cardiff) that they are gradually improving on the installation of cycle lanes. Albeit very slowly.

To improve the infrastructure in not only Cardiff, but South Wales as a whole, there needs to be radical thinking. I don't think this is a political thing, more that people are so against moving away from cars and the convenience they provide.

I think it needs people prepared to take on that radical way of think in the way that Andy Turnham and Chris Boardman have for Manchester.

Spot on! 🤙

[Splott-light...]

Re: Speed limit to be lowered to 20mph in Wales

If you hit a pedestrian:

at 40 mph there is a 90 percent chance they will be killed.
at 35 mph there is a 50 percent chance they will be killed.
at 30 mph there is a 20 percent chance they will be killed.
at 20 mph there is a 2.5 percent chance they will be killed.

Source: Roadwise

It's worth bearing in mind that drivers are already speeding in 30mph zones so therefore are likely to be speeding in 20mph zones too. Not anyone on here of course, because we're all law-abiding and socially minded members of the community on CCMB.

Personally, I can't wait for smart limiters on vehicles so you won't have any choice. AI is going to be so much better at this stuff than you are. You won't even need speed cameras because of smart data logs. All this stuff is available in motorsport right now (Endurance racing & F1) and all the current bells and whistles come from team and manufacturer's innovations.

Even the World Endurance Championship is using biofuel this season.

you're giving off strong authoritarian/fascistic vibes

[Citizen's Nephew]

Re: Speed limit to be lowered to 20mph in Wales

you're giving off strong authoritarian/fascistic vibes

:hehe: This is hilarious. Have you read some of the stuff on this board lately? You single out someone who's quoting figures from Roadwise, talking about road safety and automotive technology as authoritarian and fascistic! :hehe:

[Wales-Bales]

Re: Speed limit to be lowered to 20mph in Wales

you're giving off strong authoritarian/fascistic vibes

I'm seeing a CCMB version of Greta Thunberg

[Tuerto]

Re: Speed limit to be lowered to 20mph in Wales

you're giving off strong authoritarian/fascistic vibes

You sound like Neil from 'The Young Ones' :hehe:

[stevo]

Re: Speed limit to be lowered to 20mph in Wales

I can’t wait to see the fallout when they make speed limiters mandatory. Bring it on, I say.

There will come a time when people will say’ I can’t believe people were once given the ability to drive however fast they wanted and let loose’. A bit like how we can’t imagine driving without a seatbelt today.

[JamesWales]

Re: Speed limit to be lowered to 20mph in Wales

I can’t wait to see the fallout when they make speed limiters mandatory. Bring it on, I say.

There will come a time when people will say’ I can’t believe people were once given the ability to drive however fast they wanted and let loose’. A bit like how we can’t imagine driving without a seatbelt today.

Do you mean they are limited to exceeding 70mph, or they automatically kick in wherever in the country it is? That would require surveillance on a mass scale that does raise some civil liberty concerns.

I don't really see what the problem we are so desperate to solve is here? Roads are getting safer and safer. Does that really mean we want to lose the right to travel freely or be trusted to drive our own vehicles ourselves?

[Citizen's Nephew]

Re: Speed limit to be lowered to 20mph in Wales

You sound like Neil from 'The Young Ones' :hehe:

In the last week I've become a Fascistic, Authoritarian, Greta Thunberg, Guff-Talking, Leftie Anti-Christ :hehe:

[Citizen's Nephew]

Re: Speed limit to be lowered to 20mph in Wales

I can’t wait to see the fallout when they make speed limiters mandatory. Bring it on, I say.

There will come a time when people will say’ I can’t believe people were once given the ability to drive however fast they wanted and let loose’. A bit like how we can’t imagine driving without a seatbelt today.

:thumbup:

[Citizen's Nephew]

Re: Speed limit to be lowered to 20mph in Wales

Do you mean they are limited to exceeding 70mph, or they automatically kick in wherever in the country it is? That would require surveillance on a mass scale that does raise some civil liberty concerns.

I don't really see what the problem we are so desperate to solve is here? Roads are getting safer and safer. Does that really mean we want to lose the right to travel freely or be trusted to drive our own vehicles ourselves?

It doesn't require any surveillance, the tech already exists. There are no civil liberty concerns in the same way that there are no civil liberty concerns in not being able to carry a Swiss Army knife to a football match. It's a safety issue and you know this really.

[Tuerto]

Re: Speed limit to be lowered to 20mph in Wales

In the last week I've become a Fascistic, Authoritarian, Greta Thunberg, Guff-Talking, Leftie Anti-Christ :hehe:

Take away middle aged white blokes freedom to do what they want at your peril :hehe:

[splott parker]

Re: Speed limit to be lowered to 20mph in Wales

You sound like Neil from 'The Young Ones' :hehe:

Whilst being the image of Vyvyan Bastard:hehe:

[JamesWales]

Re: Speed limit to be lowered to 20mph in Wales

It doesn't require any surveillance, the tech already exists. There are no civil liberty concerns in the same way that there are no civil liberty concerns in not being able to carry a Swiss Army knife to a football match. It's a safety issue and you know this really.

Sorry, but if every car is tracked and automatically has it's speed limited to suit where it is, then there are massive civil liberty concerns. Thats why I asked the question - does he mean in-built speed restrictions (tbh, I'd be happy with cars not being able to go 80mph+ for example) or tracking

[stevo]

Re: Speed limit to be lowered to 20mph in Wales

Spend limiters work like a SatNav does. It knows the speed limit of the road you’re on and limits the speed of your car appropriately. The tech has been around for years but no government is willing to mandate it because it won’t win them votes. Only a matter or time though.

[lisvaneblue]

Re: Speed limit to be lowered to 20mph in Wales

Spend limiters work like a SatNav does. It knows the speed limit of the road you’re on and limits the speed of your car appropriately. The tech has been around for years but no government is willing to mandate it because it won’t win them votes. Only a matter or time though.

We are into safety issues should this happen. Over the years I've had to accelerate to get out of dangerous situations, particularly on motorways, and as a result exceeded the speed limit. Lord knows what might have happened if a speed limiter had kicked in at such times.