Tommy Doyle.

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Re: Tommy Doyle.

I’m with you. He’ll potter around on loans and then sign for someone like Norwich

He'll have to develop a fair bit as well. He has no acceleration, he's clever enough to give himself that yard of space but can't speed up in order to go past a player. He's quick on the ball and looks to get things moving quickly, but he just can't penetrate the opposition when he's moving with the ball.

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Re: Tommy Doyle.

if they sold him now it would only be for a couple of million tops. if he turns in to a top player at this level then you're talking 20 million

He's got some serious improving to do though. He's good in the final third, very direct, he sees space and attacks it with the ball at his feet. After that, he struggles in my opinion. I don't know what it is, but he doesn't look like the brightest in terms of football intelligence. Without the ball he struggles to get himself in good positions, especially defensively, he has this nasty habit of turning in to the opposition when the better option may be to just hold the ball up and win a foul or wait for support. He's very raw outside of his main attribute, which is attacking the final third. He certainly possesses natural ability, that's for sure.

[J R Hartley]

Re: Tommy Doyle.

He'll have to develop a fair bit as well. He has no acceleration, he's clever enough to give himself that yard of space but can't speed up in order to go past a player. He's quick on the ball and looks to get things moving quickly, but he just can't penetrate the opposition when he's moving with the ball.

He’s neat and tidy but academy football is full of them type of players. He’s got no wow factor like Foden or the lad Palmer at Man City. I will be shocked if he makes the grade at anything above Championship.

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Re: Tommy Doyle.

He’s neat and tidy but academy football is full of them type of players.

Yeah, pretty much how i see it. It looks good, although it doesn't take much to please our fans, but when you're waiting for that little bit more, it doesn't seem to come.

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Re: Tommy Doyle.

Whats playing the full 90 got to do with anything? Substitutions are part and parcel of the game, especially for forward / attacking players.

Colwill started 5 + 7 subs, so featured in 12 out of 14 or 85% of league games under Mick last season.

He started just 10 + 12 subs out of 32 for Morison, featuring in 64% of the games after Mick left. A drop of 21%. Plus, most of those starts / 90 minutes were end of season dead rubbers, result didnt matter according to the likes of you.

Believe what you want, its no secret Morison is not a big fan, and he was nearly released but for Mick. I dare say if we get a half decent bid he will be gone.

to look at it another way, he played 37% of all available minutes under McCarthy and 41% of available minutes under Morison.

[J R Hartley]

Re: Tommy Doyle.

to look at it another way, he played 37% of all available minutes under McCarthy and 41% of available minutes under Morison.

Nope. Even if you want to go down that route its still 41% under Mick and 38% Morison in the league last season,padded out by the end of season dead rubbers.


After Morison was able to bring in his own players in the Jan transfer window, he featured much less until the last few end of season dead rubbers.

All stats via Soccerbase.

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Re: Tommy Doyle.

Nope. Even if you want to go down that route its still 41% under Mick and 38% Morison in the league last season,padded out by the end of season dead rubbers.


After Morison was able to bring in his own players in the Jan transfer window, he featured much less until the last few end of season dead rubbers.

All stats via Soccerbase.

including league and cup it's 37% for Mick and 41% for Morison, based on transfermarkt numbers.
even if it was the other way around it doesn't seem to follow the narrative that Mick loved him and Morison isn't interested.

[J R Hartley]

Re: Tommy Doyle.

including league and cup it's 37% for Mick and 41% for Morison, based on transfermarkt numbers.
even if it was the other way around it doesn't seem to follow the narrative that Mick loved him and Morison isn't interested.

The narrative is clear. He was in and out of the team for the under 23s and Mick put him in the first team at 19, tied him down to a pro contract asap, whilst all the while waxing lyrical about him. So much so he end up getting into the Welsh squad.

As soon as Morison was allowed to bring in his own players in January, Colwill was mainly used as a sub or not at all, even put back in the under 23s for a period, until we were safe and he then played some 90 mins in the end of season dead rubbers. In my mind to appease the supporters as it looked to me like he, Morison, doesn’t know how to play with a 10.

We will soon see once the league starts wether we are building a side around him or not. No doubt you will still do your usual Comical Ali impression and deny what is obvious to others.

[FormerlyJohnnyBreadhead]

Re: Tommy Doyle.

Morison was pretty clear that Colwill needed to improve off the ball and contribute more assists.

If he adds those things - and, since those comments have been made, he's been showing signs that he is - then he'll be in the team and he'll be an important player for us. And when that happens, he'll probably go on to a better team for a sizeable fee, because he has that match winning ability.

What he doesn't need is people like Nathan Blake saying he's already "top 6 quality" (ffs seriously) and he then ends up going down the Ben Woodburn route, thinking he's made it already.

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Re: Tommy Doyle.

Whats playing the full 90 got to do with anything? Substitutions are part and parcel of the game, especially for forward / attacking players.

Colwill started 5 + 7 subs, so featured in 12 out of 14 or 85% of league games under Mick last season.

He started just 10 + 12 subs out of 32 for Morison, featuring in 64% of the games after Mick left. A drop of 21%. Plus, most of those starts / 90 minutes were end of season dead rubbers, result didnt matter according to the likes of you.

Believe what you want, its no secret Morison is not a big fan, and he was nearly released but for Mick. I dare say if we get a half decent bid he will be gone.

I don’t want to shit on one of our own, but Doyle is a much better footballer at the moment than Colwill

There’s promise for them both mind! Hopefully Colwill can become a star

[J R Hartley]

Re: Tommy Doyle.

I don’t want to shit on one of our own, but Doyle is a much better footballer at the moment than Colwill

There’s promise for them both mind! Hopefully Colwill can become a star

Disagree. Colwill has match winning ability, Doyle doesn’t. Doyle types are ten a penny in academy football.

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Re: Tommy Doyle.

Disagree. Colwill has match winning ability, Doyle doesn’t. Doyle types are ten a penny in academy football.

I think you're both right, Doyle might be technically better at the moment but I think Colwill's ceiling might be higher

[City123]

Re: Tommy Doyle.

I don’t want to shit on one of our own, but Doyle is a much better footballer at the moment than Colwill

There’s promise for them both mind! Hopefully Colwill can become a star

Not for me, Doyle is neat and tidy but lacks the X factor Colwill has.

[City123]

Re: Tommy Doyle.

The narrative is clear. He was in and out of the team for the under 23s and Mick put him in the first team at 19, tied him down to a pro contract asap, whilst all the while waxing lyrical about him. So much so he end up getting into the Welsh squad.

As soon as Morison was allowed to bring in his own players in January, Colwill was mainly used as a sub or not at all, even put back in the under 23s for a period, until we were safe and he then played some 90 mins in the end of season dead rubbers. In my mind to appease the supporters as it looked to me like he, Morison, doesn’t know how to play with a 10.

We will soon see once the league starts wether we are building a side around him or not. No doubt you will still do your usual Comical Ali impression and deny what is obvious to others.

That's how I see it and it's one of the reasons I'm not hugely confident in Morison (and haven't bought into some of the crap on Twitter about him being this great manager). It's obvious to anyone who watched us last season that Colwill was one of the few bright spots and he'll only get better

[StraightOuttaCanton]

Re: Tommy Doyle.

The narrative is clear. He was in and out of the team for the under 23s and Mick put him in the first team at 19, tied him down to a pro contract asap, whilst all the while waxing lyrical about him. So much so he end up getting into the Welsh squad.

As soon as Morison was allowed to bring in his own players in January, Colwill was mainly used as a sub or not at all, even put back in the under 23s for a period, until we were safe and he then played some 90 mins in the end of season dead rubbers. In my mind to appease the supporters as it looked to me like he, Morison, doesn’t know how to play with a 10.

We will soon see once the league starts wether we are building a side around him or not. No doubt you will still do your usual Comical Ali impression and deny what is obvious to others.

I don’t disagree that Colwill is at least as good a prospect as Doyle, but I don’t see them as similar players which makes the comparisons pretty meaningless.
Your view on Morison however feels to me that it significantly taints your objectivity, which of course is totally your prerogative, but for me devalues some of what you write.