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  • #16
    Re: What does Morison need to do?

    Originally posted by Hilts View Post
    Im actually more concerned about our defence.

    Id be looking to switching to 3 centre backs and giving Bagan a decent run at LWB.

    Hopefully Robinson is going to be a major upgrade on Watters and Davies maybe back soon as well.
    Apart from set pieces we're doing OK. Goals for is the problem. Although, having said that I might be prepared to offer Sean Morrison a short-term deal.

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    • #17
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      Originally posted by splott parker View Post
      A lot more regimental at our level, d’you reckon? Whereas the likes of Man City, Liverpool (and perhaps some of the better sides in our division) although coached to the nth degree do allow more individual expression and ‘on the spot’ decisions.
      They have the players though. We don't have anyone you could tell to do what they want.

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      • #18
        Re: What does Morison need to do?

        Originally posted by splott parker View Post
        A lot more regimental at our level, d’you reckon? Whereas the likes of Man City, Liverpool (and perhaps some of the better sides in our division) although coached to the nth degree do allow more individual expression and ‘on the spot’ decisions.
        I believe that it's an intelligence thing as well. Look at the best managers and how they allow their staff (The players) to express themselves, although expect huge work rate as well when they're not on the ball. They seem to trust in their players more, allow then to make decisions. If Klopp, Pep, Ancellotti etc weren't involved in football, then i am sure that they would be at the top of their tree in whatever it is thy ended up doing.

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        • #19
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          Originally posted by NYCBlue View Post
          Apart from set pieces we're doing OK. Goals for is the problem. Although, having said that I might be prepared to offer Sean Morrison a short-term deal.
          I think our biggest conundrum is Ng is our best defender and the problem, too. He’s pretty short, so we are vulnerable on his side and at set pieces.

          While I think he is pretty average, Hugill is almost certainly better than what we have and would help massively in both boxes. Think WBA fans said they felt Robinson was best off the left anyway, so you could play both and O’Dowda on the other flank

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          • #20
            Re: What does Morison need to do?

            Originally posted by NYCBlue View Post
            They have the players though. We don't have anyone you could tell to do what they want.
            Those players have the managers who can deal with them as well, understand their character, show belief in them. I'd say that Klopp and Pep improve almost every player that they take in. Do you think that Morison or anyone else at his level could be a success at Man City, Liverpool, Chelsea, if it is just about having the best players?

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            • #21
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              Originally posted by Tuerto View Post
              I believe that it's an intelligence thing as well. Look at the best managers and how they allow their staff (The players) to express themselves, although expect huge work rate as well when they're not on the ball. They seem to trust in their players more, allow then to make decisions. If Klopp, Pep, Ancellotti etc weren't involved in football, then i am sure that they would be at the top of their tree in whatever it is thy ended up doing.
              Agreed. That's why we have Ojo. A good footballer that makes bad decisions.

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              • #22
                Re: What does Morison need to do?

                Originally posted by Pedro de la Rosa View Post
                I think our biggest conundrum is Ng is our best defender and the problem, too. He’s pretty short, so we are vulnerable on his side and at set pieces.

                While I think he is pretty average, Hugill is almost certainly better than what we have and would help massively in both boxes. Think WBA fans said they felt Robinson was best off the left anyway, so you could play both and O’Dowda on the other flank
                Yes, although why id NG going for the first contact in the box? surely that shouldn't be his job as he is weak at it. Let him deal with the second balls. That's the managers job to sort out in my opinion.

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                • #23
                  Re: What does Morison need to do?

                  Originally posted by Tuerto View Post
                  Yes, although why id NG going for the first contact in the box? surely that shouldn't be his job as he is weak at it. Let him deal with the second balls. That's the managers job to sort out in my opinion.
                  When Ng sweeps up in behind, he looks to have real quality. He can really read the game. It’s a great shame he isn’t 2/3 inches taller although there’s a decent chance he wouldn’t be at us for long! There’s definitely areas we need to address, as he isn’t going to have much joy winning first balls

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                  • #24
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                    • #25
                      Re: What does Morison need to do?

                      Originally posted by Pedro de la Rosa View Post
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                      We'd end up in the mitotic division!

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                      • #26
                        Re: What does Morison need to do?

                        Playing Colwill in the number 10 role would be a good start, Morison is too rigid in his approach, the result being no win in the last five games and 2 points taken from 15, a further loss tonight at Boro and he may not have that much longer to sort it out.

                        Wintle and Rinohota can do the leg work in midfield and rather than concerning himself with what a player can't do, he needs to concentrate and encourage what there best at doing

                        Give Colwill the freedom to play as a creative number 10 and support the new striker, with Odowda and Ojo on the flanks

                        We can see that Watters, Harris etc are just not up to this level, so why persist with it?

                        Morison isn't a great coach with a proven track record, which is why were set up too defensively in my view, he's more concerned about losing than trying to win the game

                        What he's done so far isn't working, hence why were in the position we are, time to be bold and roll the dice if we want to end the winless run were currently on!

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                        • #27
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                          Although there are problems defensively, our goals against record is not that bad, but it would need to be an awful lot better (Preston levels) to make our lack of goals less of a pressing matter. After tonight, we'll have played ten competitive matches, a figure which tends to get trotted out by people who say you're unable to draw conclusions from early games as to where real strengths and weaknesses become apparent. I suppose we could go to Middlesbrough and score a hatful tonight which would make our goalscoring record look less sickly, but it's far, far more likely that we'll have scored four or five in our first ten.

                          I'm guessing here, but I'm fairly sure that no side has ever stayed up in senior UK football while averaging half a goal a game, or less, over the course of a league season and the most alarming thing for me is that it's not as if we're missing stacks of good chances every week. Yes, there have been some bad misses over our first nine matches, but not too many of them - lately, we've been seeing quite a few attempts at goal, but they've been hit and hope efforts from a long way out often brought on by players running out of patience because of the lack of options in front of them.

                          Forget about systems and styles of play, over a long period it has seemed to me that City have always got less players into the opposition penalty area in our play compared to the side we're playing. Now, with our set piece threat all but gone, the pigeons are coming home to roost concerning a weakness which has always been there, but we'd managed to get away with in the past - this season having only one established Championship level striker (he's only had one game as a sub as well) hasn't helped either.

                          You'd like to think Callum Robinson will help to improve things, but it's hard to see us becoming a side which averages even a goal a game with the present set up and so, we have to become more adventurous - I'm no great tactician, so, for me, that means freeing up a midfielder or two to get into the box and drumming into our wingers that when the ball is coming in from the opposite wing, they have no excuses if they're not there on the far post like Philogene was for his goal against Birmingham.

                          There has to be a strong chance that a more attacking approach would make us more vulnerable at the back. I'm afraid that, to an extent, Steve Morison has laid his own bed by creating a squad which is weak at set pieces because of a lack of height. It's hardly as if there are plenty of players who would make us less vulnerable aerially on the sidelines currently - you could work hard with Etete to turn him into an effective near post defender, but you're really getting into trouble id a very low scoring side is selecting its strikers on the basis of how good a defender they are at set pieces,

                          Seems to me that our set piece fallibilities are going to be there until January at least, so I think we have to make the best of what we've got and, to do that, we simply have to start scoring more goals.

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                          • #28
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                            I don't think we need to do anything drastic just yet.
                            we've been in most games so far, and with Callum Robinson up front that is a big upgrade on Watters or Harris, he's a good player at this level.
                            that alone should mean we get a few more results going in our favour.

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                            • #29
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                              Callum Robinson may well improve things up front a bit..although at the moment I think Mrs Robinson from the Graduate would be an improvement too. Nonetheless, a decent signing perhaps, but in a half decent West Brom team last season he only scored 7 from 43 games..

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                              • #30
                                Re: What does Morison need to do?

                                Originally posted by JamesWales View Post
                                Callum Robinson may well improve things up front a bit..although at the moment I think Mrs Robinson from the Graduate would be an improvement too. Nonetheless, a decent signing perhaps, but in a half decent West Brom team last season he only scored 7 from 43 games..
                                7 would have made him top scorer for us last year

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